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Post by avmich »

xkbarkar wrote: post #91
estebarb wrote: post #72

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Conservative people tend to protect their believes, no matter how wrong they are based on new evidence. Humanity has many examples of this happening through millennia, it is widely documented...

right and so do libertans ,communists and socialists. Hanging on to false ideologies, no matter how disastrous, is not exclusive to right leaning its a human trait.

It surely seem like it's way more frequently the issue with right, rather than left. For example there are few if any examples of interfering with scientific work during the Baden administration, while there are many during the Trump one.

Re: EPA tells some scientists to stop publishing studies

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Post by Tenemo »

cogman10 wrote: post #104
wqaatwt wrote: post #100

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To be fair Ceasar was replaced by a few even more oppressive wannabe tyrants. He never posted lists of his political enemies to be murdered and was generally pretty lenient. Probably led to his downfall. Augustus made sure to squash all potential sources of opposition before taking over.

For sure. Julius ultimately just paved the way for the future tyrants. He consolidated the power into himself which made it a lot easier for his predecessors to take things further.

I understood what you meant, but the word you were looking for is "successors", not "predecessors". His predecessors were the senate, consuls, and the rest of the governing bodies of the republic.

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

andrewflnr wrote: post #103
lelanthran wrote: post #93

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> Conservative people tend to protect their believes, no matter how wrong they are based on new evidence. You can replace the label "Conservative" there with just about any ideology or political leaning.

Kind of, but also, I've been watching my mainstream liberal friends update their beliefs about stuff, while conservatives still seem stuck. Certainly the point of being "progressive" is about being open to new ideas, and they don't entirely fail at their title. At least in America at the moment, I think the conservatives have it worse.

I think this has happened at times to all groups as well. Right now the conservatives are 'stuck' at least partially because of the cognitive dissonance required to elect and support the current admin.

I think people on the left arguably did the same with various social justice initiatives. Things got crazier by the month for a while until people were genuinely afraid to speak, people were being cancelled for dubious reasons, etc. I recall long periods of needing to be very careful about how (not just what) I said to peers and even some friends. This was a very left-driven phenomenon. While it was started with arguably good intentions, it got weird.

The right has adopted this, ironically, though in a different way and for different reasons. In both cases it's about ideological purity and power, though

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Post by rectang »

wqaatwt wrote: post #114
cogman10 wrote: post #110

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The voting population difference was massive. The entire reason for the 3/5ths compromise was because the slave states would have almost no house representation.

Still not that massive in relative terms https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colonial_and_pre-Fed... Virginia would had still been the most populous or at least second most populous state if only white people were counted. Also there were plenty of small states in the Northeast with very small populations.

Adding up the 1780 numbers on that page, the numbers appear to be almost identical. But there's a catch: those numbers include enslaved people. who numbered at least 500,000 (see [1]).

* Free states: 1,390,067

* Slave states: 1,390,302 - 500,000 = 890,302

> Still not that massive in relative terms

I don't know why you persist in saying this.

[1] https://userpages.umbc.edu/~bouton/History407/SlaveStats.htm

Re: EPA tells some scientists to stop publishing studies

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Post by avmich »

mothballed wrote: post #63
rectang wrote: post #49

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Federal taxes paid by California’s residents and businesses subsidize the budgets of the states who have made retaliatory gerrymandering efforts necessary. Spending money on Prop 50 is rational because California is on the verge of a durable situation of taxation without representation. This same phenomenon shows why California will struggle to replace the federal government for funding basic research.

It never ceases to baffle my why Californians tend to opine towards a strong federal government when the documents authorizing it are structured such that California is virtually guaranteed to get the worst end of the deal. California has 12% of the population and 2% of the senators. Every time Californians urge to give the federal government more power, even for "good" things, the rules of the game virtually demand…

With senators that's by design. But there are also issues with representatives, and I'm not sure how it came to be and if it can be solved.

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Post by theossuary »

nine_zeros wrote: post #101
lotsofpulp wrote: post #23

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They aren’t falling for the lies, the lies are a mechanism of signaling that candidate is willing to harm those outside of their tribe (they are willing to be corrupt), and sufficient people believe they are in the tribe.

I don't know why this is being down voted. The white Christian nationalist movement absolutely is willing to burn America to get what they want - they are willing to be corrupt, elect corrupt, forget their religion, hurt the out-group, and lie to give plausible deniability while doing exactly that. Downvoters: Prove that this administration is not corrupt and not hurting people instead of downvoting - or just accept…

They've said it explicitly, this is a bloodless coup (so long as Democrats allow it). They see themselves as destroying America and creating their own country with completely different rights and laws, and they're well on their way.

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Post by thisisit »

Sammi wrote: post #111
mahirsaid wrote: post #102

The whole idea of polarized opposite parties in the U.S. has gotten out of hand. like science is needed for humanity to further progress. To say the left needs to do this, and the right needs to do that is delusional in its own right. The joint effort comes first or should come first along with logical decisions not based on whether you like the opposite party or not. its about the nation as a whole.

It's because of the First Past The Post voting system that is used in the US, which means winner takes all. If you want to understand why the US seems so uniquely politically divided, then you will understand once you understand how FPTP voting works and how it inevitably leads to binary politics. Most countries have a voting system that leads to broader representation. US politics will always be black and white and…

FPTP is bad but other methods are similarly flawed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf7ws2DF-zk

Keeping a democracy requires people to understand it as well. At least in US it seems they'd rather elect a dictator wannabe who clearly said he wanted to be dictator for a day than elect a woman.

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Post by CalRobert »

mothballed wrote: post #63
rectang wrote: post #49

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Federal taxes paid by California’s residents and businesses subsidize the budgets of the states who have made retaliatory gerrymandering efforts necessary. Spending money on Prop 50 is rational because California is on the verge of a durable situation of taxation without representation. This same phenomenon shows why California will struggle to replace the federal government for funding basic research.

It never ceases to baffle my why Californians tend to opine towards a strong federal government when the documents authorizing it are structured such that California is virtually guaranteed to get the worst end of the deal. California has 12% of the population and 2% of the senators. Every time Californians urge to give the federal government more power, even for "good" things, the rules of the game virtually demand…

Not all of us! I favor secession.

Re: EPA tells some scientists to stop publishing studies

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Post by avmich »

mothballed wrote: post #76
estearum wrote: post #71

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Obviously a lot of things can work more smoothly when people are willing to give away value for free. Obviously people are a lot more willing to give away value when it costs them virtually nothing (like roads in a rural area with definitionally extremely low traffic)

Somehow when the county maintains them, the "virtually free" roads somehow become enormously expensive. You can see the government having a monopoly and captive buyer causes them to be horribly inefficient, as they have no competition (and no private competitor will emerge when the price at point of use by their competitor is zero).

Are you questioning the idea of having goverments to solve tragedy of commons problem?
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