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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by Veedrac »

moritzwarhier wrote: post #98
Aldipower wrote: post #96

Meanwhile I've mixed a song of mine down on a Tascam 688 8-track tape recorder. I have a big smile on my face because I find this very enjoyable. The haptics, the sound and my hand-crafted product. A piece of art made by a human. No AI will replace this for me.

I'm pretty sure your creation will be more interesting than any AI-generated "art". Suno can create catchy songs and succeed in matching genre expectations / cliches. I've been in phases where I had output I generated with it playing in my head constantly (due to repeated listening). The output was catchy. Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. And I, among other stuff, enjoy a lot of music t…

This argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find interesting, or doing something new with the medium that's also well executed and listenable to on repeat, finding that is actually just hard, and it's rarely the stuff with the dollars and overlapping interests to get the high production values.

I'm not going to claim AI audio isn't also awash with popular themes and tropes, or that it's a bastion of creativity. I'm also not going to claim that the deepest, really creative ideas aren't expressed in human written works. There are enough people to make truly exceptional songs and prompt many truly mindless AI generations. And there's also nothing wrong with most songs optimizing for personal preferences that are not that; I'm not trying to 'argue against' popular music.

But I am going to claim, for me, that it just hasn't been practical to saturate my tastes from public media, and that most of the reason I personally listen to AI music is that I want something that says or does something I think is creative, exploratory, or intellectually interesting that I don't know how to get from anywhere else.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by creata »

Nursie wrote: post #112
tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

> And listeners/consumers can tell the difference between art created with intent and soul, and a pale imitation of that. Respectfully I disagree. We have had curated, manufactured pop, built by committee and sung by pretty mouthpieces with no emotional connection, for a long time now, and they make big money. And look at the vocaloid stuff too. Those who care, care. Everyone else?

> And look at the vocaloid stuff too.

What about the vocaloid stuff?

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by vunderba »

jonesetc wrote: post #110
songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

Guitar, make it sound more like someone else's hard work.

"Robot experience this tragic irony for me!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKZNOnLUBmQ

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by iainctduncan »

These things are the composition equivalent of Guitar Hero...

They give users (players?) a sense of agency, making it satisfying. But in reality, you're no more composing than a guitar-hero player is playing the guitar, and nor will you learn how to from doing so. No matter how sophisticated the transformations in an LLM, you're ultimately using other people's music in a sophisticated mashup game.

However, in guitar hero, the people's who's music was being used at least got royalties. :-/

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by fathermarz »

As someone who has been producing music for 20 years, this is absolutely incredible. I remember when I started building things from samples in FL4 and just how mind bending that was. I am so excited for this to actually get new ORIGINAL samples.

What people miss is since the creation of Splice, basically all new music that isn’t from an already established artist is paint by numbers. You can get any sample in any key that are given to splice by artists. You probably hear a lot of the same sounds in most modern music. This breaks that open.

The Suno team has been doing this exactly right and this is just another step in their evolution.

Major congrats to the product team for this, I can’t wait to see the next iteration!

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by keithba »

ares623 wrote: post #120
jonesetc wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guitar, make it sound more like someone else's hard work.

The year is 2027. A 16 year old at a house party pulls out his laptop and asks his friends to gather round. He starts typing “a song about a wonderful wall” and completely original music starts playing. A girl in the corner, hearing the heartfelt melody, starts to fall for the boy.

I made an image, then a video of this…it felt cute

https://limewire.com/d/ShyFU#hGrEzdZegs

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by freejazz »

Veedrac wrote: post #121
moritzwarhier wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure your creation will be more interesting than any AI-generated "art". Suno can create catchy songs and succeed in matching genre expectations / cliches. I've been in phases where I had output I generated with it playing in my head constantly (due to repeated listening). The output was catchy. Then tried to generate interesting music, failed spectacularly. And I, among other stuff, enjoy a lot of music t…

This argument always seemed weird to me because it's obviously the case that ‘intent and creativity’ is at best a slim minority of consumer preference. If I want a simple dubstep line with random romantic words meaninglessly peppered in it, or the same 4 chord pop song as every other pop song, or you know, anything popular, that's easy. If I want something that's saying something interesting in the topics I find inte…

The poster you are responding to did not make any reference to "consumer preference"

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by visarga »

vunderba wrote: post #119
songeater wrote: post #107

Tools like Suno are fundamentally enabling. I'm about 40 years old and never "had the music" - not for lack of trying (music lessons at a young age)... but could never carry a tune or keep rhythm. I suppose its what being dyslexic feels like. If I were educated in a culture where music was fundamentally as important as reading or math, I suppose would have spent enough hours on it to eventually be passable... but I g…

If you enjoy it, I'd leave it at that - that's all that matters. It's a pretty absurd claim to say that learning Suno is no different than learning a musical instrument. My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad. Generative tools (visual, auditory, etc.) can serve as powerful t…

> My 8 year old nephew was cranking out "songs" in Suno within an hour of being introduced to it. Reminds me of when parents were super impressed that their 3-year old could use an iPad.

You imply "it is Prompt -> Song" but in reality it is "Prompt -> Song -> Reflection -> New Prompt -> New Song.." It is a dialogue. And in a dialogue you can get some places where neither of you could go alone.

As software developers we know that multiple people contribute to a project, inside a git repo, and if you take one's work out it does nothing useful by itself. Only when they come together they make sense. What one dev writes builds on what other devs write. It's recursive dependency.

The interaction between human and AI can take a similar path. It's not a push-button vending machine for content. It is like a story writing itself, discovering where it will end up along the way. The credit goes to the process, not any one in isolation.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by visarga »

I wanted to try the advanced Suno models but they are locked away, and I don't want to take a membership just to try a couple of generations. So, for months, I gave up on Suno. It's locked away at v3.5 for me. Last 3 models have been all closed.

I tried to sample a few songs generated by others, but I can't find their appeal.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by ares623 »

nick__m wrote: post #92
sandoze wrote: post #12

Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but wonder what gets lost when using tools like this.

Since you get exactly the kind of music you want, I think it leads to extremely small bubbles, which is pretty much the opposite of homogeneity. For example, I had never heard epic power metal about birds, but with Suno I got exactly what I wanted. Sure, the sound quality (I only used v3.5) could be better and the songs could be longer, but I don’t care, I now have epic songs about my Bourke’s parakeet. However, I’m…

How will friendships be formed I wonder when everyone has their own version of their interests?
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