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US airlines are pushing to remove protections for passengers and add more fees

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Post by cdrini »

hedora wrote: post #75
cdrini wrote: post #26

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> [Elimination of] Automatic Refunds for Cancellations Airline cancellations. Seeing as they're talking about making a change, I assume it's airline cancellations, since no airline will currently refund you for a passenger cancellation.

Southwest used to for all tickets, for free. They’re eliminating it because the new CEO is trying to speed-run them out of business.

I see they offer free cancellations and refunds for their two top-tier tickets, but can't find a reference for them offering it for all tickets. Do you have a link?

https://mobile.southwest.com/fare-information/

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Post by anal_reactor »

ericmay wrote: post #110
xenator wrote: post #95

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If you drove your car across 17 countries in Europe would you expect to pay the same at every station you come across? I don't think what you're saying is even the norm within European countries, is it?

Big difference is that prices shown include all taxes and other fees.

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Post by tshanmu »

ericmay wrote: post #110
xenator wrote: post #95

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If you drove your car across 17 countries in Europe would you expect to pay the same at every station you come across? I don't think what you're saying is even the norm within European countries, is it?

you would know before consuming how much you would end up paying. not so in the land of the free.

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Post by SirMaster »

jghn wrote: post #79
az226 wrote: post #73

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$99 recline your seat fee

I'd pay $99 so that the person in front of me *can't* recline their seat

I prefer when they recline as that always seems to give me extra knee room which is the main place that I am most cramped. When they recline the part of the chair where my knees are slides forward about in inch or 2.

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Post by jen20 »

hannasanarion wrote: post #52
panick21_ wrote: post #23

Ironically in Europe we have some decent regulation for airlines, but the public train operating companies refuse to do the same for trains. We need to have some of those same protection and transparency requirements for train companies as well. But the governments of the big operating companies have vetoed this so far. Sometimes deregulation actually makes it easier to implement regulation.

Train operators aren't as strictly regulated because they can't do as much harm, both in terms of the inherent catastraophic consequences of air travel disasters for passengers and bystanders, and in terms of the financial risk that passengers take on by purchasing a ticket. A no-refunds-for-cancellations policy on a $100 intercity train ticket that rarely ever cancels hits different from a $400 flight itinerary that…

Have you compared the cost of a train to a flight in Europe? Often the flight is _substantially_ cheaper, especially in the UK.

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Post by hoistbypetard »

hopelite wrote: post #57
bsimpson wrote: post #32

I'd be curious to see how the all-in price of airline tickets has evolved in recent decades. It feels like it's now commonplace to have hundreds of dollars in additional fees for things like legroom. That means a cheap ticket is a midrange ticket and a midrange ticket can end up being quite expensive unless you fall for the "we get to strap you behind the bathroom with only the clothes on your back" Saver ticket. It…

Related to that; I am curious in what airlines think they will get or what motivates them to prioritize being deceptive, sneaky, dishonest, manipulative, lying, con-artists, i.e., just abusive all around? If everyone is required to provide "all in pricing" then there is no competitive advantage in being a bigger, better fraud; so must it be concluded that they think they have a competitive advantage at being the bett…

The Behind the Bastards podcast episodes covering Frank Lorenzo might be right down your alley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bmGff5f-Ug

(They are available from all the usual podcast places, but it just happens that the youtube mirror is the easiest way I know to link a specific episode.)

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Post by throaway5445454 »

jdiff wrote: post #28
throaway5445454 wrote: post #22

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The rest of the world's already discovered an easy out: negotiate by promising to do what you've already been doing for the past decade. As long as he hasn't been fed some idea to fixate on, he's an easy mark that can be placated by literally anything.

Canada just allowed the USA to have control over their nuclear plants and waste for 20 years.

South Korea had to publicly come out and say they wanted to accept Trump's deal, but it had to have some concessions or else they would go into economic collapse!

And the EU just allowed something like 30% more access from USA food which was previously considered not fit for human consumption under their health laws right? Please correct my figures if they're wrong.

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Post by sroussey »

arrozconcosas wrote: post #64
izacus wrote: post #41

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Hundreds of dollars for legroom? Are you... sure? For what kind of flights?

One example: Chicago to New York on United, direct flight that is ~2.5 hours. $209 for economy and $381 for Economy Plus. This is a $172 difference.

And its even more for first class!

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Post by egonschiele »

> Family Seating Guarantees: Under current regulations, airlines must ensure that families with young children are seated together without additional charges. This would no longer be guaranteed under the new proposal, meaning families could face extra costs just to sit next to one another.

This one is wild. You want to sit next to somebody's crying 2 year old? Go nuts. Change their diaper while you're at it.

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