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EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #107
snickerdoodle14 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I do this when I don't have a phone?

Don't you people have phones? Edit: Sorry that reference was a deep cut, I was quoting the devs of that awful Diablo mobile game way back.

No? I had been with dumb phone for almost a year from like 2024-25? What point are you trying to make as I think that there are some good dumb phones in the market which even support things like signal.

I used to use the messaging app through SMS tho, the people that knew me (that 1 friend gets a shoutout here who used to msg me through SMS in the world of whatsapp and my mom!!)

Most phones are used for two things that my father used to quote: Whatsapp (messaging app) and youtube(social media)

Entertainment could somewhat be offloaded via music player etc. into dumb phones and to be really honest, I think that even things like hackernews could be operated on those dumb phones if given the ability to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdYrBpBJRI4 : this is the dumbphone which supports signal btw. Wish there was a way to make app for dumbphones like these just as how we can make apps for androids.

I was shocked by how much feature packed my chinese dumb phone was for 11.27$ lol. It just didn't have internet & yeah games as well.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by jwally »

Here's my crack at a good-enough solution for the U.S. It doesn't have a ton of granularity - but the concept is shovel ready now, dirt cheap, and privacy preserving.

Video Demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmcUJ5u65Q0

Actual Demo: https://app.hornpub.click

How it works:

1) Go to app.horpub.click

2) Create an ephemeral passkey

3) Extract its public-key and id (this binds the credential you're creating to your device)

4) The user copies this data to their bank's Age-Verification-Section

5) The bank creates an object that it signs with an attestation of the user's age (KYC) and their pass-key-public-key

6) The user copies this back to app.hornpub.click

7) The passkey is verified on the server, the bank's signature is verified by the server, some other meta-data is verified to make sure nothing weird is happening.

8) The user's age has been verified by their bank without the bank knowing who is asking for verification

* This method is more private than anything requiring sharing your photo-id online

* This method doesn't trigger GLBA or GDPR (user copies data themselves)

* This method is free to the merchant (hornpub)

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by qiine »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #97
qiine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

you could pretty much replace the statement with "General purpose computing considered harmful"

or user 'having free will is problematic and unsafe' if we want to go even deeper :(

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by rmvt »

Almondsetat wrote: post #118

This is strange, in Italy our eID system can be used from the desktop with a (recent) smart card reader

this was the case in portugal too, although i don't know if it still is since gov apps have been pushed to the apple and google stores. edit: it should still work according to this https://www.autenticacao.gov.pt/cartao-cidadao/autenticacao

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by worldsayshi »

lloydatkinson wrote: post #98
j0057 wrote: post #82

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> Also this will completely disable any new phone OS' being developed. Why would anyone bother when you can't verify your wallet to do anything online. This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices.

Back when Microsoft said they were going to let Android apps run on Windows before killing it off for I think the third time, I was excited that I'd be able to run my bank app on my desktop. The app is a simple process to login, but the website has about 50 steps to login making it unappealing to use (probably on purpose).

I get that it wouldn't be optimal but can you run it on an android emulator?

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by tarsinge »

logifail wrote: post #112
j0057 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also this will completely disable any new phone OS' being developed. Why would anyone bother when you can't verify your wallet to do anything online. This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

For now, there is an increasing number of banks and government websites that are broken if you are not using Chrome or full on requires it.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

hellojesus wrote: post #57
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wallet app can be started using a QR code. You can then finish the verification on your phone and continue on the desktop website/app/whatever.

What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?

Then you can't use this method of identification, just like you can't use it now. Surely it won't be the only way to identify yourself online. If this provides a frictionless way to do this for 95% of people then it's already a huge win.

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by okanat »

logifail wrote: post #112
j0057 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also this will completely disable any new phone OS' being developed. Why would anyone bother when you can't verify your wallet to do anything online. This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices.

> you can't run your bank's app I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC > government eID apps I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Not in EU. Many banks mandate you either have an iPhone or Google approved Android as 2FA. Those fucking idiots have killed their own competition options.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #93
ktosobcy wrote: post #61

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Well, looking around I see more people using smartphones for anything and even not having a PC…

Smartphones are a lot more portable than desktop PCs or even laptops. Unless you enter everyone's home to take an inventory of their devices, it stands to reason that you're going to see more smartphones than anything else by just looking around.

Sure, but computers are a lot more capable. Even for just scrolling sites, a desktop computer is a superior experience.
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