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Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by AlotOfReading »

thefourthchime wrote: post #23
gregoriol wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it works well in good conditions doesn't make it good. It's the unexpected situations that determine if someone lives or dies.

It doesn't have to do with the conditions. It has to do with whether or not it's on the highway or not. The car uses a different Stack for highway and off highway, the highway has been a step child for quite a long time now

That used to be true. Autopilot was for highways, FSD was for other roads. FSD can be enabled on both since v12 though and this video is specifically an attempt to use FSD on highways to go cross country.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by Bengalilol »

ekianjo wrote: post #66
coreyh14444 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

do we have an example of Lidar equipped car that can avoid that?

Of course. There are plenty of LiDAR demos out there. For a starter : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gylfQ4yb5sI BTW: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1kwrc7p/23_my_wit...

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Post by mbreese »

tedggh wrote: post #83
pbasista wrote: post #63

Anecdotal: I am surprised how the basic Tesla autopilot often cannot even read the speed limit signs correctly. In perfect lighting conditions. It just misses a lot of them. And it does not understand the traffic rules enough to know when the speed limit ends. I know that the basic autopilot is a completely different system than the so-called FSD. But equipped with that experience from the basic autopilot, it does no…

I use autopilot for local driving (city - suburbs) and I pay for FSD when on long road trips (>300 miles). You are correct, they are completely different things so one doesn’t correlate to the other one.

That they are different things is really disappointing. If you want people to trust the system enough to buy FSD, the autopilot mode should use the same system, with limited functions. There is no reason why the vision/detection systems should be different. Especially if you already have the proper hardware installed…

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by tptacek »

rob74 wrote: post #43
agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

Humans routinely drive from LA to NYC without wrecking their cars. In fact, that's the normal outcome.

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Post by tokioyoyo »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

In America, you fail the second you apologize or take accountability. Ignoring criticism and deflecting all the time gets you further, as it is part of the game. Unfortunately, this is just an accepted social science-y thing at this point. It is a very much cultural thing of the past couple of decades.

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Post by raisedbyninjas »

lazide wrote: post #18
coreyh14444 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The debris is pretty close to the color of the road. Seems like a good case for radar/lidar ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who knew spending more on extra sensors would help avoid issues like this? So weird.

Sensor fusion is too hard is the new cope.

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Post by rkomorn »

moi2388 wrote: post #122
agildehaus wrote: post #30

A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.

A human did hit that..

I guess the point was the human was intentionally letting the car do its thing, though.

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Post by moi2388 »

carlmr wrote: post #92
zwaps wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

German ones are still way way cleaner than US highways. Germany is also the country with the most traffic because it's kind of at the center of everything and pays roads with income tax instead of tolls. The French charge really high tolls and have very little traffic compared to Germany. They really don't have an excuse.

Excuses is pretty much all the French have tbh..

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

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Post by zzzeek »

I rant about Elon a lot but can someone just explain to me how this keeps going on ? FSD is almost completely a solved problem by the likes of Waymo etc. Why does anyone care what Tesla is failing to do with FSD? Is this all about, "how can we invent FSD without lidar"? Why are we bothering, because cybertruck owners don't want a dorky box on top of their truck? Does their truck already not look ridiculous?
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