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Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by bigfishrunning »

Jensson wrote: post #108
pjmlp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe at Google, given how poorly Android Studio works otherwise.

That was what I had at google 8 years ago, today its not expensive at all, any serious developer should have about that. If you develop on a weak laptop then that is on you / your company, should get a proper machine. Its good if tools are fast, but in general developers are expected to have fast machines so the tools are made with that in mind.

It really sucks that we, as software developers, are expected to spend a ton on a new machine every few years so that big companies can reap the benefits by shipping poorly written, slow tools. The development experience isn't any better or faster then it was 20 years ago, but it sure requires a faster computer.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by pjmlp »

distances wrote: post #119
pjmlp wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides the rediculous hardware requirements of Android Studio, far beyond any other Java based IDE, we have a NDK experience that feels like a 20% side project from Android team, because back in Android 2.0 days they were forced to actually allow developers to write C and C++ code, otherwise there would be no games. Even Symbian C++ across Metrowerks and Caride, felt a much developer friendly experiece than NDK has…

I do Android development and recently upgraded my desktop as 32GB is no longer enough for Android development. I put 96GB in the new machine, and am still not fully confident that it's future proof.

Ouch, that bad? Thanks for the update.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by em-bee »

anthonypasq wrote: post #14
SilverElfin wrote: post #12

Apple doesn’t care. Look at how bad iTunes or iCloud or whatever is. Especially on windows. Their software is terrible. They focus mostly on what makes money. And the support is non existent. All you can do is shout in the forums but some Apple apologist will respond rudely or with some unhelpful generic tips that do nothing.

i mean in a way xcode is incredibly valuable product considering anyone who wants to publish to the app store (where they collect insane rent for zero effort) needs to interact with it.

so it's the wrong incentive. apple has no need to make it better because people are forced to use it anyways.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by partomniscient »

Nevermark wrote: post #74
bentocorp wrote: post #58

I was going to defend Xcode and say it's not that bad... but then I read the article and realised that I have just become so accustomed to these problems that I don't consciously realise the daily hellfire that I experience. Even when you think you're immune to it, Stockholm syndrome is real. A similar article I wrote on the 'Dark Side' of Apple Development, brings up many additional issues: https://www.magiclasso.co…

The first rule of Stockholm Club, is you don't know you are in Stockholm Club.

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Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by xeonax »

I gave up apple development after 2 years of paying developer fees. Vague errors, buttons that work 2nd time. but not the first time.

I got into apple development to publish a unity game to iDevice. To publish unity game to iDevice, you need a mac. You also need yearly apple developer membership. Where they make you jump through hoops which provides them entertainment. Just like you being an animal in a circus which they control.

I learnt apple doesn't care. Now I also don't care. (but yeah that got my money. I didn't get any money)

Microsoft DX has me spoiled.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by lemonwaterlime »

Splizard wrote: post #76
m463 wrote: post #62

I remember a long time ago writing simple macos apps you could use from the command line. The compile command was basically: gcc -o foo foo.m -framework Foundation I think everything developers do in apple's ecosystem is needlessly complicated.

you can totally still do this

I do this. My workflow is CLI only in Objective C. No Swift. No SwiftUI. No .xib files.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by lenkite »

I am assuming this is the reason why frameworks like Flutter are eating the iOS App Market ? 30 % of ALL iOS apps are now developed in Flutter and that number is rising every quarter.

Maybe only a minority of iOS developers will be using SwiftUI and XCode within a few more years ?

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by distances »

pjmlp wrote: post #122
distances wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do Android development and recently upgraded my desktop as 32GB is no longer enough for Android development. I put 96GB in the new machine, and am still not fully confident that it's future proof.

Ouch, that bad? Thanks for the update.

To be fair, it will depend on the project. I do it professionally for multiple clients, so I get to see also the pathological end of the spectrum.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by RestartKernel »

sschueller wrote: post #8

Apple would have been avoided by developers if they weren't part of the smartphone duopoly. The tools and processes are just that bad. Now Google has decided to make theirs even worse than Apple at least when it comes to publishing in the play store.

I personally loved my short stint as iOS developer despite Xcode's flaws. Swift is a great language, and Apple has some really nice API's.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by Cloudef »

bentocorp wrote: post #58

I was going to defend Xcode and say it's not that bad... but then I read the article and realised that I have just become so accustomed to these problems that I don't consciously realise the daily hellfire that I experience. Even when you think you're immune to it, Stockholm syndrome is real. A similar article I wrote on the 'Dark Side' of Apple Development, brings up many additional issues: https://www.magiclasso.co…

Im not sure if its a still issue, but there used to be a period when installing xcode through appstore was impossible as it was either reaally slow or never finished. There was even awesome review by someone making joke story about it in zombie apocalypse like setting, wish i could still find it.
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