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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This is not what functioning bureaucracy in a functioning democracy looks like.

Yea, this is reagan's party with the mask off

Cold war Reagan who stood up to Russia/China, generally represented American interests, and led - regardless of many disagreeing with him politically? No, this is that party having gone insane from stewing in reactionary talk radio for decades in a cycle of getting angrier while being repeatedly suckered into supporting more specious policies that leave them worse off.

The Republican party had been farming this hate in its talk radio cage, and only extracting its energy to support the status quo. Social media came along and opened the door to the cage, while Trump led it out with open arms. The spiral of harmful policy more blind anger is now moving faster and faster.

Notice how these policies are focused on making pain for the individual visa holders, not the companies employing them. This $100k/H1B thing was the very first bit I've seen from this Trump term that I thought sounded halfway reasonable. But then rather than an announcement ahead of time with a clear implementation date, allowances for current H1B residents to either find amenable companies or prepare to leave, etc - it's just pure immediate pain for the individuals. Including making them more indentured as I'm sure many employers will tell employees that they're not going to pay the $100k fee so their employment effectively ends if they leave the country for any reason. (and also at this point who doesn't expect the policy to be relaxed in 3-12 months for politically-favored bigcos?)

It's just like the LG factory raid - attacking the individual workers in a show of performative cruelty, rather than focusing on the company. Trump has already been talking about creating programs to allow illegal labor to continue in "critical" industries such as landscaping, construction, farming, etc. Because when the rubber meets the road those are his own interests, even if his primary business has moved on to taking bribes in shitcoins.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Get your relatives and family out of this shithole and start a new life somewhere else. Why paying taxes for fat crooks? Why working your ass off for major companiel that dont pay taxes? I more and more understand people leaving their home country.

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The best the world got, pwahahah,I live in China and I wouldnt choose the US as an alternative, it's not the worst but it's not Singapore or the Netherland or Australia or Canada or Switzerland or even the Czech Republic come on, there are many better places

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

> This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass.

A sudden $100,000 per year increase on every H1B salary is a big deal.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever worked for a large corporation? Do you think there’s an intranet website where you can just go click on the “Send $100k Wire Now” button? It’s going to take a long time while Microsoft figures out if they will actually pay these fees and which budget it should come out of. Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your…

Employers have said these workers are critical and they can’t find any workers already in America to do these roles. FAANG are by far the largest users of H1-B. They also have billions of dollars and access to excellent lawyers. They can pay up for this; an excellent employee is certainly worth more than $100k per year to them. Think of this more as a tax levied on some of America’s wealthiest businesses.

> FAANG are by far the largest users of H1-B.

The H1-B is used across many industries, not just tech.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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This isn't a big deal for the larger tech companies other than a short term pain in the ass. This is a large net negative for 3 sectors that I can currently think of: - American (software) tech workers - Healthcare - Research / Postgrad Medicine and Research are fairly self explanatory, however, why the American software tech worker? Let's say you're Microsoft, you have large offices all over the world - instead of h…

Can you elaborate more on hiring and immigration in the United Kingdom and Australia with respect to similar skilled visa work?

When you say South Asia could you expand on what specific countries you mean? I think South Asia could mean a few things to a few different people which is why I ask.

> It means less focus in the US which eventually will just become sales and marketing only with perhaps some smaller department sized tech jobs.

As an American I'm curious about this, can you expand on how this will happen or how you think it might happen? If I recall correctly the figure for active H1B visa holders in the United States is under 1 million, so are you asserting that those visa holders all or mostly leave the United States and then the tech jobs that remain will be small in number are most folks working at companies like Google or Microsoft will just be working in sales and marketing? If that's not what you meant to say could you expand?

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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post #22

>Some employers have exploited the program to hold down wages, disadvantaging U.S. workers, Change "Some" to "All major employers". I worked at a fortune 500 company in IT and all they hired were H1B employees over the past 15/20 years. The last raise we got that was above inflation and health insurance increases was before 2000. I left 2 years ago and after I left they fired almost everyone in the IT Dept I was in a…

Name and shame?

The H1B list is all public. You can search through the data on h1bdata.info if you want.

There are many people on H1B's whose employers will not have a problem paying a $100k fee, but there are also many other firms that will not pay.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net income per employee at MS is $440K so if H-1B are so important then they can afford it. I worked at MS on a visa and it definitely felt like I was a second class citizen that managers could freely abuse without recourse, it didn’t help that corporate politics had become tribal. So while having a visa was beneficial to me personally I felt it lead to the degradation of the employment market, now a market for lemon…

I’m sorry, but what? What part of your statement is relevant to the rapid and cruel enactment of the policy? Leaving aside whether or not it is unreasonable, the immediate applicability, over a weekend , of this policy, is that this thread is discussing. Not your smug satisfaction at the validity of the policy.

Point 1 H-1B is a horrible program that has to go, the manner in which this is done is unfortunate. Like many things it should have been done nicer and sooner but apparently that wasn’t an option.

Point 2 I’m certain exemptions will be granted that will mean in reality the H-1B gets to continue being a horrible problem for everyday Americans and the software industry in general. I don’t want to work in a lemon market and that’s what it has become. And I see this as more of an attack on free speech than an attack on H-1Bs but that shoe has yet to drop. In the meantime they need people to believe the threat is real so the companies will yield to power. The chaos is part of making it believable. If I was on a H-1B and I was too far away to make it in time I probably wouldn’t be too stressed about it but I’d understand why other people are.

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