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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by hu3 »

nchmy wrote: post #102
hu3 wrote: post #98

Oracle probably has a hundred lawyers that make more than $200k per year. If Deno tries to half-ass this case, they will be doing the JavaScript community a disservice by creating court precedent for Oracle.

if they dont do this, there wont be an opportunity for another case..

Well that is an urgency that Deno folks created. So it seems the deed is done.

> After more than 27,000 people signed our open letter to Oracle about the “JavaScript” trademark, we filed a formal Cancellation Petition with the US Patent and Trademark Office. Ten months in, we’re finally reaching the crucial discovery phase. - Ryan Dahl

You can't make this up. If I was Larry Ellison I would be calling Deno folks personally to thank them.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by heeton »

jansan wrote: post #97
Illniyar wrote: post #42

I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…

Please do not accuse anyone of "hate" for having a different opinion and expressing it in a way that you do not like. Btw, I donated.

To be that guy: you’re objecting to someone’s subjective phrasing while also using your own subjective phrasing.

Language is malleable and messy, and I find it doesn’t help discourse if you attack the surface reading of a comment. I don’t think OP is “accusing of hate”, I think they’re expressing surprise that such negative sentiments exist to a sensible issue. I agree, as do you it seems.

(And yes, in writing this I asked myself if I’m reacting to your terminology or the intent behind the words. I hope it’s the latter)

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by stronglikedan »

rs186 wrote: post #19
siva7 wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

Anecdotally I don't know anyone who cares in the slightest bit about that. It's a name that has been used for a long time, and there have been lots of weird, strange name out there for software, but people just use it and move on.

I think there's some bias at play here. I'd wager that most of management still thinks JavaScript and Java are the same thing, and can't understand why their new frontend hire doesn't know how to work on their Java backend.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by no_wizard »

ramses0 wrote: post #44
siva7 wrote: post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

All in favor of WebScript raise your hands! :-P ...I am 1000x more in favor of *.ws instead of "Michael Jackson" of *.mjs

I don’t know why they didn’t go with the more obvious esm since it’s ecmascript modules

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ramesh31 »

nchmy wrote: post #81
ramesh31 wrote: post #33

This seems a bit like poking the bear. A loss here could give Oracle carte blanche to start going after people for using "JavaScript" anywhere.

That's literally what is being fought for...

>That's literally what is being fought for...

But they don't really go after anyone for it right now, as it's a legal gray area that they haven't really cared to pursue. Forcing the issue will create a judgement (one way or the other) for them to know that it's enforceable if they win. I really hope Deno's lawyers know what they are doing because Oracle has literally unlimited money and legal resources for this kind of thing; it's basically their whole business model.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ksherlock wrote: post #114

Shower thought conspiracy theory: If the lawsuit looks like it might succeed, Oracle could make it disappear by ... buying Deno. Is their end goal to free javascript or is it to find an exit?

Firstly 200k isn't a lot of money against ORACLE which is a lawyer's level 100 and atleast millions of $

Secondly, it would be really shitty if they think that oracle could buy deno and we can just allow that and continue to cheer on for them.

It would be all hell breaks loose if oracle buys deno and this lawsuit disappears after raising money from public, the people donating would be furious and I feel like that there are already alternatives to deno (bun which is faster) which itself was a alternative to node.

People might as well fork it if comes under oracle possession. Idk

Tbh I agree that deno isn't the best for such lawsuit but rather something that can stand for free speech maybe fsf which deno could directly support and they can do a lawsuit instead?

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ecshafer »

billpg wrote: post #10

I kinda want Oracle to go further and insist that no-one can call it "JavaScript" any more. Let's all it "JS" and completely break from Java. "What does JS stand for?" "It stands for itself."

php stands for php hyper processing. js could stand for js script.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Post by ecshafer »

Sammi wrote: post #57
r_lee wrote: post #45

So donate money for Deno's marketing campaign?

Deno have been bankrolling this case for a pretty long time already. Winning this case will benefit everybody who are benefited by Javascript. Sound fair to ask for everyone else to pitch in.

How? How does it benefit people. The name javascript being trademarked has never affected me once in my life. Especially since its technically Ecmascript and I am technically writing typescript nowadays.
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