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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

hedora wrote: post #66
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

I went to my local megacorp pharmacy out here in California, and asked about the COVID vaccine that’s no longer recommended by our anti-vaxxer overlords. Apparently, it’s about as easy to get as an old-school medical marijuana card. Results vary by state though. No need to travel to Canada or Mexico (yet).

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by Bjartr »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #114
justin66 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is this getting downvoted? It's obviously humor!

More importantly, it does not add to the conversation. If humor alone is what you want, head to Reddit.

Humor is welcome here, but it needs to have some substance behind it.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by analog8374 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #101
boxerab wrote: post #97

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Doesn't answer the question. Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate over those who didn't get it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/3/e000707

> Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate Sure. This one hasn’t. That said, I frankly think people should be free to vaccinate as they please, and cities, states and private businesses free to include and exclude folks based on vaccination status as they please. (I’m also in favor of letting insurance companies choose if they want to cover diseases someone chose to ge…

Agreed. We could decide it over Facebook. Who is allowed to buy food etc.

That would be democratic and efficient.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by LorenPechtel »

boxerab wrote: post #97
vhcr wrote: post #92

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> Is there a net positive benefit to this shot? Yes https://ourworldindata.org/hpv-vaccination-world-can-elimina...

Doesn't answer the question. Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate over those who didn't get it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/3/e000707

Not my field but just looking at that I see variations as big as the signal they are supposedly detecting. Looks an awful lot like noise.

And note that it's possible for a vaccine to have a negative survival benefit yet be a good idea--in a population with herd immunity a vaccine provides little benefit to those who receive it so long as enough people receive it to provide the herd immunity. But if too many don't get it the risk from not getting it goes up considerably. Look at what has been happening with measles--measles was basically unheard of, the quacks said not to vaccinate (remember, Wakefield was attacking a specific vaccine that he stood to profit from the controversy, Worm Brain doesn't believe in infectious disease in the first place), now we have people dying of measles.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by boxerab »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #101
boxerab wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't answer the question. Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate over those who didn't get it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/3/e000707

> Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate Sure. This one hasn’t. That said, I frankly think people should be free to vaccinate as they please, and cities, states and private businesses free to include and exclude folks based on vaccination status as they please. (I’m also in favor of letting insurance companies choose if they want to cover diseases someone chose to ge…

> Sure. This one hasn’t.

That is exactly why we need to apply the precautionary principle for new drugs like this one.

> That said, I frankly think people should be free to vaccinate as they please

Never said they shouldn't be. Just need to be skeptical of organizations like GAVI and their PR, as they have a huge conflict of interest in promoting and profiting from these drugs.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by ars »

pitpatagain wrote: post #119
boxerab wrote: post #82

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That's because other strains weren't covered by the original vaccines: Strains 16 and 18 were the high risk strains covered in the 2008 roll-out, the roll-out to young girls of the broader vaccine covering other high risk strains didn't start until 2017. “In 2017, one of the first birth cohorts of women in Denmark who were HPV-vaccinated as teenage girls in 2008 reached the screening age of 23 years,” Nonboe explaine…

The other strains were not covered because they were not common.

Now they are.

Which means some new strain will become common. Is there any data on how quickly/easily new strains show up? I assume it's not as fast as cold/flu, but if it is people will need a vaccine yearly, and that's not realistic.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by LorenPechtel »

skdhhdj wrote: post #62
chris_wot wrote: post #25

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Amazing how badly the United States is regressing. Literally measles is making a comeback due to idiots like RFK.

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Immigration has nothing to do with it.

Measles is highly infectious, you need a very high percentage of the population immune in order to maintain herd immunity. So long as you have herd immunity the only source of infection is travel--but note that this works both ways. It's much more likely to be Americans catching it while traveling than immigrants bringing it. They at least used to trace the original case in such outbreaks, it was normally someone who had been abroad.

We saw the same thing with Covid--quarantine against Chinese people, while ignoring Americans returning from the very same places even when they said they had symptoms. (And irrelevant besides, the strain from Europe quickly dominated.)

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by p1necone »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #111
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It's not approved for those over 45. (AFIAK, simply because so few people in that age group would have risk without having had prior exposure. Basically only those who had divorced or lost their long time partner.)

That feels like a wild assumption to me - we really think people 45+ aren't having casual sex? less casual sex maybe, but I would imagine still a decent amount, statistically.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by vharuck »

Fomite wrote: post #84
sillyfluke wrote: post #57

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Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

To be blunt: Cost-effectiveness.

In the US, recommendations come from the United States Preventive Services Task Force. They explicitly do not consider cost in their decisions. They look at harm vs benefit, usually with a focus on mortality reduction. Most insurance companies will base their coverage on the USPSTF.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hpv/hcp/recommendations.htm...

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