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Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by CapricornNoble »

numpad0 wrote: post #49
asadm wrote: post #14

2 TOPS is not a lot for AI projects.

Hopefully Adafruit or someone could get these[1] out of "Contact Us" jail. 16GB 30TOPS BF16 in M.2 2280 at $369. PCIe 2x8 low profile "Duo" configuration available at $799. Supposedly. I believe the theoretical performance is Strix territory if these could be clustered, but only if they mass manufacture these. 1: https://www.edgecortix.com/en/hardware

Heh, interesting you call this "Contact Us Jail". I met sales and engineering staff from EdgeCortix at DSEI Japan 2025, and was very enthusiastic to pick up some of their products as alternatives to the Hailo-8L RPi cards.

So far....nothing. Not even an ETA on when they will be shipping hardware.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by camel-cdr »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #120
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #8

Absolutely smoked by rpi5, often by rpi4. To make matters worse, a radically unsupported core with no mainline support. https://www.phoronix.com/review/orange-pi-rv2-benchmarks/2

It wouldn't shock me if performance doubles over the next couple years. This chip is one of the first supports the RiscV Vector extension, so compilers have a lot of years of catch up to vectorize effectively.

It already did between minor geekbench versions even though not all benchmarks are accelerated yet: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/compare/10993563?baseli...

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by sylware »

nine_k wrote: post #70
sylware wrote: post #24

RISC-V going forward, one of the only beacons of hope in the silicon world. I need one of such devices for my self-hosted services. And it will be time to port from C to assembly, really, because we have finally a CPU ISA which is 'sweet spot' balanced, standard, global, pushed forward with significant resources and without IP locks anywhere. No more developer/vendor lock-in via "the only compiler able to generate co…

Noscript? No credit cards? Why these complications? Run a VM or a container with a full-blown browser, then throw it away. Get a merchant-locked, ephemeral credit card at privacy.com or equivalent, or buy a preloaded anonymous card. Problem solved.

Come on... how it is possible to miss the point that much?

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by sylware »

dlcarrier wrote: post #113
sylware wrote: post #24

RISC-V going forward, one of the only beacons of hope in the silicon world. I need one of such devices for my self-hosted services. And it will be time to port from C to assembly, really, because we have finally a CPU ISA which is 'sweet spot' balanced, standard, global, pushed forward with significant resources and without IP locks anywhere. No more developer/vendor lock-in via "the only compiler able to generate co…

I use Privacy.com to get temporary credit cards, to avoid the hassle of compromised credit card numbers, although it doesn't stop various governments from tracking my transactions. I've bought RISC-V SBCs from both Pine64.com and Arace.tech, and neither required I make an account. Arace.tech does require JavaScript to checkout, but Pine64.com does appear to work without it, although I didn't complete a transaction wi…

What? This is not my point.

That said, 'privacy.com' does not deserve anymore trust than all the shaddy stuff already out there...

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by taneliv »

Daviey wrote: post #71
taneliv wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your project where 2 x NVMe is not suitable for storage?

I'd like a decent RISC or ARM SBC for a NAS.

Ah, cool. I'd like the same, but with ECC RAM, so the options are even fewer.

Have you looked into what someone suggested here, splitting the NVMe to some SATA ports? It didn't sound like a horrible solution, but I have no experience.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by DoctorOetker »

slaw wrote: post #118
DoctorOetker wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was the only amazon distributor as far as I know. they were directly linked from the Orange Pi 5 website. Its their responsibility they direct their customers to dubious distribution systems (IF THAT IS THE CASE). We should never reward orders or preorders in any fast devaluating area (like electronics) to be reneged after inflation: this would allow manufacturers to post-select a financial path: if less inflation…

Orange Pi website shows for me only US Amazon Store. You should get your funds back from Amazon and order on Aliexpress.

If customers in EU or the west should order on Aliexpress, isn't it misleading of Orange Lie to provide Amazon links as well?

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #65
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardware patents are orthogonal to open source software. If a patent covers the hardware then someone who wants to manufacture the hardware needs to license the patent, but you were never going to get free-as-in-beer hardware anyway, and a hardware patent is independent of whether the hardware is fully documented or has firmware with published source code and a license that allows users to make changes to it.

Indeed, most IP used in silicon design are licensed, cost real money, and are under NDA. I wouldn't say "never", but a clone is highly unlikely for another decade or so. =3

NDAs in the context of a patent license should legitimately be considered grounds for patent invalidation. Patent literally means "open to public inspection" and the entire premise is that you get a temporary monopoly in exchange for openly documenting how your invention works in the published patent. If there is something about the invention for an NDA to cover it means you left it out of the patent application, which is essentially an admission of wrongdoing.

A patent is an alternative to a trade secret. You can't eat your cake and still have it.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #127
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, most IP used in silicon design are licensed, cost real money, and are under NDA. I wouldn't say "never", but a clone is highly unlikely for another decade or so. =3

NDAs in the context of a patent license should legitimately be considered grounds for patent invalidation. Patent literally means "open to public inspection" and the entire premise is that you get a temporary monopoly in exchange for openly documenting how your invention works in the published patent. If there is something about the invention for an NDA to cover it means you left it out of the patent application, whi…

Patents do exist on popular IP cores, but in general standards compliant Verilog libraries are just vendor specific IP products. Thus, the copyright, NDA, and license agreements already keep the IP fairly locked down. For example, figuring out dram timing and DDR bus control yourself is nontrivial.

Some groups have attempted open IP cores, and made some progress:

https://opencores.org/

However, the effort involved in getting standards compliant ASIC built puts folks in a Fabless manufacturing sector. Most firms that survive, will choose to stay with a generic FPGA option to avoid custom silicon unless absolutely necessary.

Patents are often useless/vague in many places, but on occasion may prevent platform decay for a few years. One can be sure a unique/new design will not go to fab unless such protection is in place. =3

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #128
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NDAs in the context of a patent license should legitimately be considered grounds for patent invalidation. Patent literally means "open to public inspection" and the entire premise is that you get a temporary monopoly in exchange for openly documenting how your invention works in the published patent. If there is something about the invention for an NDA to cover it means you left it out of the patent application, whi…

Patents do exist on popular IP cores, but in general standards compliant Verilog libraries are just vendor specific IP products. Thus, the copyright, NDA, and license agreements already keep the IP fairly locked down. For example, figuring out dram timing and DDR bus control yourself is nontrivial. Some groups have attempted open IP cores, and made some progress: https://opencores.org/ However, the effort involved in…

It seems like the fab companies like TSMC/Samsung/GF/Intel are missing an opportunity here. Commoditize your complement:

https://gwern.net/complement

Publish the software that does this for free so that more customers come to you instead of using FPGAs or just not making the attempt. Make it easier to design new chips so that more people do it and you get more customers.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #129
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patents do exist on popular IP cores, but in general standards compliant Verilog libraries are just vendor specific IP products. Thus, the copyright, NDA, and license agreements already keep the IP fairly locked down. For example, figuring out dram timing and DDR bus control yourself is nontrivial. Some groups have attempted open IP cores, and made some progress: https://opencores.org/ However, the effort involved in…

It seems like the fab companies like TSMC/Samsung/GF/Intel are missing an opportunity here. Commoditize your complement: https://gwern.net/complement Publish the software that does this for free so that more customers come to you instead of using FPGAs or just not making the attempt. Make it easier to design new chips so that more people do it and you get more customers.

When it comes to hardware, the OSS model stops making economic sense.

People have tried, but helping other competitors for free rapidly decays the market. =3

Rule #23: Don't compete to be at the bottom, as you just might actually win.

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