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Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by newscracker »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

For mail hosting, take a look at Posteo.de (no custom domains though), mailbox.org, runbox.com, mailfence, migadu, and cranemail. All these are cheaper and a lot more affordable than something like Fastmail. All of them support IMAP, using which you can move your email elsewhere (or easily backup/have local copies).

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by newscracker »

dunefox wrote: post #119
nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

https://tuta.com/

The one thing I don’t like about both Proton and Tuta is that they don’t support IMAP. Users of these platforms would find it a bit more difficult to move their emails out of the system if they wish to.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by crossroadsguy »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

I am a Fastmail customer. Absolutely horrible customer support but pretty solid email. Do not even think about using the "suit" they offer alongside email.

The rebranding and "revamp" is limited to the logo and colour changes :D everything under the hood is still the same good old OX inferiority. Hell, you may never want to use their webmail either (my 99.9999% mail usage is via IMAP clients). They are fine other than that.

Fastmail is pretty good if their price and offerings are not an overkill for you. You should check Runbox as well - really good.

Simple Login alt: addy.io? Fastmail and Mailbox (auto-deletes in 30 days unless you "touch" it :D) also have disposable email as part of email offerings. Don't know about Runbox.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by crossroadsguy »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #50
nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

Fastmail is fine. It's somewhat limited in its UX, but technically speaking, everything works, and it's snappy. Very few outages. I really like their integrations with calendars, contacts, and mail for 3rd party sites/services. Not a ton of features or deals re: custom domains or multiple users, but it's fine if it's just for yourself. edit They literally -JUST- turned on Offline support for their app and web interfa…

Hey, what's the trick of keeping your VPS OS/etc updated and upgraded without having to nuke (or replace or copy to elsewhere and "paste" back) the current setup on that VPS? In all my self hosting attempts it works butter smooth until I try to update/upgrade my VPS OS or hell even the app I am using like a VPN, or a seedbox, a notes app etc etc. I mean it's been really painful. Sometimes I have used the VPS w/o updating for 3-4 years - no security/OS update - none. The moment I do that - bam! Everything broken or gone :(

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by crossroadsguy »

GCUMstlyHarmls wrote: post #54
nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

This 9-year-old issue me a bad taste for mailbox... https://userforum-en.mailbox.org/topic/anti-spoofing-for-cus...

That's classic Mailbox. Deny there's a problem, or just don't ever respond. Hell, my tickets, when I face an issue, don't get responded to for weeks sometimes, and when it gets responded to, often it's a one-liner accompanied by closure of ticket :D

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by cedws »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #116
johnklos wrote: post #80

The true value of a company can be measured by our ability to communicate with them. If we can't communicate except after public outrage, then what does that say about the company? Here's a genuine question: is Proton Mail the least shitty of companies that provide email services? I self-host email and will continue until I die. But for others who need a company to do this for them, is Proton Mail the least shitty of…

To answer your question, from my limited experience: no. There are better or less shitty companies like Fastmail, Runbox (tried them), even Purelymail (but 1 or 2 people setup), Mailbox (shitty support, solid setup; I am a customer), Migadu (good name, I have never used them), there's Tuta (but somehow they seem off to me; like Proton they also do not allow IMAP/POP - Proton allows with some circus), MXRoute has good…

Not allowing IMAP/POP isn’t just for the lulz, it’s not compatible with the encryption architecture Proton uses, which is kind of the selling point of the product. You can either have your emails encrypted at rest with your key OR you can have plain IMAP/POP without a bridge client, you can’t have both.

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Post by citizenpaul »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

Fastmail has an open source API they call jmap. You could probably find or write something that could help convert to the fastmail masked email. I was able to setup an integration with a local llm to read my email and act on it in about an hour.

I like fastmail they seem to have a move slow and don't break things mentality that I like from my email.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by cedws »

newscracker wrote: post #122
dunefox wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://tuta.com/

The one thing I don’t like about both Proton and Tuta is that they don’t support IMAP. Users of these platforms would find it a bit more difficult to move their emails out of the system if they wish to.

See here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45229681

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by shelled »

raybb wrote: post #89
cscharenberg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been on Zoho for my (and my partner's) email for 4+ years and it has been great. Chose them because there is no per-domain charge, so I have like 12 domains on it. The configurability is extensive in both web app and ios email app. Service has been fast and stable. They rarely change anything in the UI (no random tinkering is what I mean) so it is predictable and easy to use.

I love https://purelymail.com/ for the same reason. Unlimited domains and you can pay based on usage. I pay about 1 cent per day.

I wanted to use them. But they had a bug in SMS sending and it's been a few weeks (or more) and they have not fixed it or been able to fix it. Also, it was not clear whether they use the same setup for recovery/alert SMS (I asked, received no reply). I tried following up with their support for a few days (it's a one-person setup; recently a support person was hired who responds on Discord and is apparently swamped), but it didn't happen. I just tried now and the issue still exists. That seemed like not a good sign. Also - ownership has changed few months ago.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by crossroadsguy »

cedws wrote: post #126
crossroadsguy wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To answer your question, from my limited experience: no. There are better or less shitty companies like Fastmail, Runbox (tried them), even Purelymail (but 1 or 2 people setup), Mailbox (shitty support, solid setup; I am a customer), Migadu (good name, I have never used them), there's Tuta (but somehow they seem off to me; like Proton they also do not allow IMAP/POP - Proton allows with some circus), MXRoute has good…

Not allowing IMAP/POP isn’t just for the lulz, it’s not compatible with the encryption architecture Proton uses, which is kind of the selling point of the product. You can either have your emails encrypted at rest with your key OR you can have plain IMAP/POP without a bridge client, you can’t have both.

Did I anywhere say it was for the "lulz"?
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