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New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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You literally only had to read one more sentence: "With Monday’s announcement universal child care will be extended to every family in the state, regardless of income. This amounts to an average annual family savings of $12,000 per child."

Right?? If only the "hope the audience here would read the article" crowd would read the article. Wouldn't that be something..

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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I'm going to take the reverse position. I don't like this policy.

I think it would be much better to provide a one year paid stipend so that a parent can be home with the children during their tender years.

This entire structure is set up to keep the boss happy while a stranger raises your child during their most formative and vulnerable years.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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This is fantastic! I hope they succeed and there is no abuse or other issues, because it will show how much an economy can grow when women are allowed to work to their full potential. Families who were previously in poverty because the mom would struggle to pay for childcare to work can now have assurance kids are ok while the mom can pursue jobs, start her own small business (huge chunk of businesses are small busin…

The problem with more people entering the workforce is that the people never end up better off. Prices just go up and people end up working more for the same result.

Changing the definition of full-time hours to 30/week would do far more for families and children than giving free childcare so mothers can work more.

Making mortgages with a > 20 year term illegal, putting limits on the total principal allowed to loan as a multiple of income, and barring entirely non-human (i.e. any business entity) ownership of single family homes would do far more for families and children by removing the burden of ridiculous housing costs by removing the ability for people to compete for ridiculous housing prices.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Childcare is a great way to kick this off - it's politically hard to fight against anything "for the children" and it's not a stretch at all to extend coverage gradually, as people see the benefit and want it elsewhere / just one more year / etc. Just gotta hope it stays funded enough to avoid descending into a bureaucratic death spiral with months of delays for everything.

“This time will be different!” announce the proponents. Watch now, class, as the economic calculation problem works out as predicted in yet another instance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

markets have criticism too. this is why we have nothing, neither roads nor businesses, and are currently hallucinating this conversation while scratching at the ground with sticks.

do we really need to point to how badly private healthcare has been working?

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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I'm very unfamiliar with New Mexico (having only been a tourist in Albuquerque and Santa Fe for a few days), but according to U.S. News it ranks 50 out of 50 for education: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education . Given some level of geographic mobility it doesn't seem like a place I would want to raise a child. Am I mistaken? Thoughts?

I'd also not want to move there to raise a child, but turns out people live there non-the-less - and the people who'd qualify for this program are the people who can't just pick up and move to California or New Jersey.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize a lot of people actually prefer to give their child their best instead of outsourcing it so they can focus on bettering the economy, right?

It's an interesting way to divide up a country's labour. 50% do child rearing, and the other 50% do literally all other professions. If you did have such a large cohort engaged in that activity, there should probably be some kind of education where one could learn 'the best'. Of course people with kids would be too busy to attend. And the ones who did attend wouldn't have any kids to look after.

>50% do child rearing, and the other 50% do literally all other professions.

That's not that revolutionary; it's kind of traditional.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Is there a mandated state ratio of workers to children? In Michigan, by law, it is 1:4. It is great to offer free childcare to all citizens, but if those childcare facilities are inadequately resourced the quality of care will decline.

A quick glance at https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/child-care-...

It looks like it's 1:6 until kids are 27 months, at which point the ratio becomes 1:10. When kids are 3-4 the ratio is 1:12, and when they're 5 and up, the ratio is 1:15. These are numbers from 2011, so not sure how that's changed over time.

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. Stay at home moms do not provide a less valuable service than childcare providers. This policy appears to disincentives children staying with their mother even when it is preferred.

> Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. This is a great way to kill a policy. It would technically be most fair if every parent was given the same amount of money per child, period. Then they could do what they needed or wanted with it. But doing so would not only increase the costs dramatically (by a multiple) it would give money…

> The more broadly you spread the money, the less benefit each person receives. If you extended an equal benefit to parents who were already okay ...

By your own argument, this policy dilutes the value New Mexico / Feds were prior giving to the poorer parents who met the means testing New Mexico used before, then, no? Because this isn't the beginning of "free" childcare in NM, they are just expanding it beyond the prior poverty-line times 'X" means testing.

Ergo per your logic "real outcome would be reduced benefits" to the poorer parents who already had subsidized childcare.

Edit: accidently switched "childcare" to "healthcare" a few times, flipped back

Re: New Mexico is first state in US to offer universal child care

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would make sense IMO to provide an equal value waiver to those who take care of their kid rather than send them to childcare. This is a great way to kill a policy. It would technically be most fair if every parent was given the same amount of money per child, period. Then they could do what they needed or wanted with it. But doing so would not only increase the costs dramatically (by a multiple) it would give money…

I guess Youre not a fan of UBI?

I'm not the user you're asking but the same logic holds true for UBI, yes. The societies with the most effective social welfare programs do it via a robust and de-stigmatized social safety net. I think most of the common criticisms of UBI (it will make people lazy, its not fair, it will cause inflation etc) are silly, and I also generally support universal programs over means testing or exemptions. Still, I will be a skeptic until I see a somewhat large scale successful rollout of a UBI program beyond just studies and pilots.
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