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Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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I believe local llms are the future. It will only get better. Once we get to the level of even last year's state of the art I don't see any reason to use chatgpt/anthropic/other. We don't even need one big model good at everything. Imagine loading a small model from a collection of dozens of models depending on the tasks you have in mind. There is no moat.

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Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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I feel like Apple needs a new CEO, I've felt this way for a long time. If I had been in charge of Apple I would have embraced local LLMs and built an inference engine that optimizes models that are designed for Nvidia, I also would have probably toyed around with the idea of selling server-grade Apple Silicon processors and opening up the GPU spec so people can build against it. Seems like Apple tries to play it too…

I think if Cook had vision, he could have started something called Apple Enterprise and sold Apple Silicon as a server and made AI chips. I agree he’s too conservative and has no product vision. Great manager though.

They did have Xserve back in the day. As great as Apple silicon is for running local llms along with being a general-purpose computing device, it’s not clear that Apple silicon have enough of a differentiating advantage over a rack of nvidia gpus to make it worthwhile in enterprise…

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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I agree that it's kind of magical that you can download a ~10GB file and suddenly your laptop is running something that can summarize text, answer questions and even reason a bit. The trick is balancing model size vs RAM: 12B–20B is about the upper limit for a 16GB machine without it choking. What I find interesting is that these models don't actually hit Apple's Neural Engine, they run on the GPU via Metal. Core ML…

I feel like Apple needs a new CEO, I've felt this way for a long time. If I had been in charge of Apple I would have embraced local LLMs and built an inference engine that optimizes models that are designed for Nvidia, I also would have probably toyed around with the idea of selling server-grade Apple Silicon processors and opening up the GPU spec so people can build against it. Seems like Apple tries to play it too…

Local llm.. everybody is scared of privacy.. many people don’t want to buy subscriptions (still).

Just sell a proper HomePod with 64GB-128GB ram, which handles everything including your personal LLM, Time Machine if needed, back to Mac (Tailscale/zerotier)

+ they can compete efficiently with the other. Cloud providers.

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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I agree that it's kind of magical that you can download a ~10GB file and suddenly your laptop is running something that can summarize text, answer questions and even reason a bit. The trick is balancing model size vs RAM: 12B–20B is about the upper limit for a 16GB machine without it choking. What I find interesting is that these models don't actually hit Apple's Neural Engine, they run on the GPU via Metal. Core ML…

I too found that interesting that Apple's Neural Engine doesn't work with local LLMs. Seems like Apple, AMD, and Intel are missing the AI boat by not properly supporting their NPUs in llama.cpp. Any thoughts on why this is?

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Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

#126
An awful lot of Monday morning quarterback CEOs are here running their mouths about what Tim Cook should do or what they would do. Chill out with the extremely confident ignorance. Tim Cook brought Apple to a billion dollars in free cash he doesn’t need to ride the hype train.

Also let’s not forget they are first and foremost designers of hardware and the arms race is only getting started.

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like Apple needs a new CEO, I've felt this way for a long time. If I had been in charge of Apple I would have embraced local LLMs and built an inference engine that optimizes models that are designed for Nvidia, I also would have probably toyed around with the idea of selling server-grade Apple Silicon processors and opening up the GPU spec so people can build against it. Seems like Apple tries to play it too…

They have local LLMs, apple foundation models: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/FoundationModels

Apple often wants to do it their way. Unfortunately, their foundation models are way behind even the open models.

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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The use of the word "emergent" is concerning to me. I believe this to be an... exaggeration of the observed effect. Depending on the perspective and the knowledge of the domain, this might seem to some ad emergent, however we saw equally interesting developments with more complex Markov chaining given the sheer lack of computational resources and time. What we are observing is just another step up that ladder, another angle to enumerate and pick the best token next in the sequence given the information revealed by the proceeding words. Linguistics is all about efficient, lossless data-transfer. While it's "cool" and very surprising.. I don't believe we should be treating it as somewhere between a spell-checker and a sentient being. People aren't simple heuristic models, and to imply these machines are remotely close is woefully inaccurate and will lead to further confusion and disappointment in the future.

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

#129

An awful lot of Monday morning quarterback CEOs are here running their mouths about what Tim Cook should do or what they would do. Chill out with the extremely confident ignorance. Tim Cook brought Apple to a billion dollars in free cash he doesn’t need to ride the hype train. Also let’s not forget they are first and foremost designers of hardware and the arms race is only getting started.

Not sure I can think of anything that is more performant per watt for LLMs than Apple Silicon.

Re: Experimenting with Local LLMs on macOS

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Software-wise, it makes sense: Nvidia has the IP lead, industry buy-in and supports the OSes everyone wants to use. Hardware-wise though, I actually agree - Apple has dropped the ball so hard here that it's dumbfounding. They're the only TSMC customer that could realistically ship a comparable volume of chips as Nvidia, even without really impacting their smartphone business. They have hardware designers who can desi…

> But whenever you mention crypto mining or AI datacenter markets, people act like Apple is above selling products that people want. People also want comfortable mattresses and high quality coffee machines. Should Apple make them too? Apple not being in a particular industry is a perfectly valid choice, which is not remotely comparable to protecting their interests in the industries they are currently in. Selling dat…

Apple is perfectly well equipped to sell datacenter products. They've done it in the past, even supporting Nvidia's compute drivers along the way. If they have the staff to design consumer-facing and developer-facing experiences, why wouldn't they address the datacenter?

Money is money. 10 years ago people would have laughed at the notion of Nvidia abandoning the gaming market, now it's their most lucrative option. Apple can and should be looking at other avenues of profit while the App Store comes under scrutiny and the Mac market share refuses to budge. It should be especially urgent if unit margins are going down as suppliers leave China.

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