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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

> It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

Then why is it doing so? I'm lost.

Are you implying that it's an act of charity towards the US with zero expectation of or potential for profit? Then why doesn't Hyundai just save the management trouble and donate to a charity?

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Post by [deleted] »

mlyle wrote: post #114
Avicebron wrote: post #112

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> Oddly enough, ESTA/B-1 allow receiving training but not giving it Does this mean there is an equivalent in South Korea where the US could send workers on this Visa to receive training on how to build their (Hyundai) factories?

Hyundai absolutely does a lot of training of US-based employees in Korea. But sometimes you have a shorter-term need for some setup talent (especially when language skills and understanding local engineering conventions is important). This is much more common during plant construction. I don't think you're going to quickly train US workers on how to decipher Korean documentation.

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

pnw wrote: post #104
PhantomHour wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5:10 "475 were illegally present in the United States" Not quite; The figure includes those with visa. "Illegally present in the United States or in violation of their presence in the united states, working unlawfully " This also leaves open the question of what "violation of the visa" entails here. They may well have been working within their visas, only for ICE to arbitrarily rule otherwise.

He specifically mentions illegal entry and visa waiver, neither of which are work visas.

It gets a little confusing because ESTA(which South Koreans are eligible for) is valid for both tourist and business use, and is a visa waiver.

As this comment[1] states with an official source:

> A B-1 visa may be granted to specialized workers going to the United States to install, service, or repair commercial or industrial equipment or machinery purchased from a company outside of the United States, or to train U.S. workers to perform such services.

Maybe the business use of ESTA also covers the above use cases?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45164008

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

overfeed wrote: post #88
binary132 wrote: post #65

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spell out for me how that makes it ok to use undocumented labor

> spell out for me how that makes it ok to use undocumented labor The same way it is ok to go 1-5 mph over the speed limit on the freeway. Both are illegal on paper, but in practice, law enforcement turns a blind eye and actual enforcement would entangle a lot of people and interfere with the status quo. The juice is probably not worth the squeeze, as Arizona and Florida found out.

> The juice is probably not worth the squeeze, as Arizona and Florida found out.

What is this referring to and where can I read more about this? I may have missed the news.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by esalman »

fluoridation wrote: post #50
esalman wrote: post #2

The World Cup next year is going to be a shit show. My first world cup was 1994 and I watched every one of them on TV live. This would be the first time it'll happen in a city where I live (LA). This will also be the first world cup my son will watch. But I'm apprehensive of getting tickets for my family due to fear of harassment.

Good luck getting tickets either way. You're going to be competing for them with fanatics from all around the world.

Hopefully current immigration crackdown will scare some of the fanatics away haha

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Post by qmmmur »

lisbbb wrote: post #69
behnamoh wrote: post #10

Hyundai is notorious for shitty dealers and service, to the point that people hesitate to purchase from their luxury brand, Genesis, to avoid these dealers. Meanwhile, I've heard of Koreans who confirm that the company's branches in Korea have much better dealers. Something seems off, then. Could it be the corporate greed and lousy US regulations that have allowed Hyundai to keep their shady tactics for decades in Am…

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You are not discussing this in good faith. What are the parameters that allow have made you determine they are pieces of crap?

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by Balgair »

Avicebron wrote: post #116
pavel_lishin wrote: post #14

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How would you even evaluate that?

fixed milestones with responsibility hand-offs?

And who is going to set those milestones and hand-offs?

Sure, yeah, the USG can try that, but for the millions(?) of contracts you'd need over years of hand-off with red-tape and poorly paid 'refs' with no experience in the field and some dubious enforcement mechanism of fines or jail time?

It's a totally unworkable system prima face that just ties things up for no reason.

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Post by orwin »

pnw wrote: post #27
JKCalhoun wrote: post #22

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Also short-sighted: pissing off our international partners that we would rather build factories in the U.S.

South Korea deports Canadians and Americans regularly for not obtaining the correct visas. https://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/we-are-scared-and-we-...

Do they cuff and detain them publicly?

I mean, I understand public humiliation is something Usians like, but was it necessary here? To me, punishing the workers is so unimaginably cruel and pointless...

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by kamaal »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #119
geeunits wrote: post #55

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Yeah, one or two sneaky Koreans to help the cultural divide sounds plausibly okay, but an entire factory of undocumented workers? Seems hard to wash this one any way but clean.

Sure, if you don't want companies to build factories in your country, this is the way to go about it. There are dozens of other ways this could have been handled. America First! (just don't build factories here that boost the American economy)

Its impossible to build anything at all, if you were to go entirely by the book.

Wasn't the whole point of America being allowed to color outside the lines ?

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by kamaal »

blargey wrote: post #102
hyperpape wrote: post #76

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The obvious followup question is how common it is for a company to bring in hundreds of workers to set up a factory. I'm aware that there are people with specialized knowledge who travel internationally for that kind of work. What I'm unclear about is the scale.

According to their agreements with Georgia's state govt, factories like this are set to employ 8000+ locals once they're up and running. Given that scale, requiring 1/20 as many specialists working on site to set everything up doesn't seem too farfetched.

>>doesn't seem too farfetched

Far fetched? Its somewhat like a farmer complaining about rain and sun.

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