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YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

I'm sure you can find people making arguments about a lack of quality from machines about textiles, woodworking, cinematography, etc., but digging holes? If you have a source of someone complaining about hole quality I'll be fascinated, but I moreso am thinking about a disconnecion here:

It looks like you see writing & editing as a menial task that we just do for it's extrinsic value, whereas these people who complain about quality see it as art we make for it's intrinsic value.

Where I think a lot of this "technophobia" actually comes from though are people who do/did this for a living and are not happy about their profession being obsolesced, and so try to justify their continued employment. And no, "there were new jobs after the cotton gin" will not comfort them, because that doesn't tell them what their next profession will be and presumes that the early industrial revolution was all peachy (it wasn't).

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

There is a difference.

Excavation is an inherently dangerous and physically strenuous job. Additionally, when precision or delicateness is required human diggers are still used.

If AI was being used to automate dangerous and physically strenuous jobs, I wouldn't mind.

Instead it is being used to make everything it touches worse.

Imagine an AI-powered excavator that fucked up every trench that it dug and techbros insisted you were wrong for criticizing the fucked up trench.

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> "You know, YouTube is constantly working on new tools and experimenting with stuff," Beato says. "They're a best-in-class company, I've got nothing but good things to say. YouTube changed my life." My despondent brain auto-translated that to: "My livelihood depends on Youtube"

As a consumer they are the most hostile platform to consume a video the way I want. Not the way they want me to. I am also required to use an adblocker to disable all shorts.

I also need to use ReVanced on my Android phone so I can hide all Shorts-related things.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

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Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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If AI is as wonderful and world-changing as people claim, it's odd that it's being inserted into products exactly like every other solution in search of a problem.

Would you say the same thing about the internet?

People voluntarily visit the internet because it gives them things they want. This is an article about unwelcome changes being automatically made.

Those things are different.

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Isn't this similar to what e.g. Instagram and co have done for ages? Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras.

> Even smartphones do it automatically for you, digital post-processing to compensate for the limitations of the cameras. The level of post-processing matters. There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face. The line is not cut clear but these companies are pushing the boundaries so we get used to fake imagery. That is not good.

>There is a difference between color grading an image and removing wrinkles from a face.

You're implying the latter doesn't happen normally but denoising (which basically every smartphone camera does) often has the effect of removing details like wrinkles. The effect is especially pronounced in low light settings, where noise is the highest.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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When you upload a video to YT, it's heavily compressed. Your pristine creation is converted 10 ways to Sunday, which then can be played back in a variety of formats, speeds, and platforms. Long before you even uploaded that video, for free, to give the world the chance to see your creative genius, you agreed to this process, by agreeing to Youtube's T&C's. People may be upset, and I get that. But it's not like the vi…

Exactly this. The only reason video works at all is because the machine is trying to make changes to it that it doesn't think humans will notice.

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So I feel like article doesn't address the "why" of it all. Why auto AI upscale?

I can’t think of a more dislike-able company than YouTube. I used to love youtube and watch it everyday and it would make me a happier, smarter person. Now youtube’s impact on their users is entirely negative and really the company needs to be destroyed. But they won’t be because they are now evil, and evil is profitable.

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, the stuff I'd want to remove: - auto-dubbing - auto-translation - shorts (they're fine in a separate space, just not in the timeline) - member only streams (if I'm not a member, which is 100% of them) The only viable interface for that is the web and plenty of browser extensions.

> The only viable interface for that is the web and plenty of browser extensions. there are ways to get this same experience with android. Use https://github.com/ReVanced/ and make your phone work for you instead of working for someone else.

ReVanced also has the additional benefit of blocking ads, allowing background play and auto-skipping sponsorships thanks to SponsorBlock.

Also, if you have an Android TV, I'd suggest SmartTube, it's way better than the original app and it has the same benefits of ReVanced: https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTube

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

You realize that making an analogy doesn't make your argument correct, right? And comparing digging through the ground to human thought and creativity is an odd mix of self debasement and arrogance. I'm guessing there is an unspoken financial incentive guiding your point of view.

ta8645 did not make an analogy, nor did they use it to support an argument.

They posited that a similar series of events happen before, and predicted they will happen again.

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