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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Ecstatify »

sunshine-o wrote: post #52
nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

Reads like narration from Adam Curtis.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by ux266478 »

bentlegen wrote: post #31
sunshine-o wrote: post #2

I assumed 4chan didn't exist anymore and it was renamed/replaced by another board... Great advertisement. The UK acts like a madman on fire trying to attack everybody.

It stopped being relevant because its content became acceptable on major social networks, beginning in late 2022.

Major social networks aren't even remotely close to being in the same niche. There are no algorithms, no friction with accounts, no obtrusive interfaces or feature bloat, no likes, no post ratings, content is completely ephemeral. This is a common and fundamental misunderstanding I see people make when trying to understand why 4chan exists. The people who post on 4chan aren't doing it because they can't help but post edgy content, they're doing it because its web 1.0 approach to social media completely erases a whole load of annoyances and anti-patterns that are endemic in the modern web.

Just like Usenet, it will probably never die despite the antisocial controversies. Or at least in the case of 4chan, it will be replaced with another board-type system. As Twitch streamers are the contemporary version of AM radio, 4chan is the contemporary version of BBSes. You should be extremely skeptical of the idea that you could ever compete in the same space with a heavily commercialized product like a modern social network. Twitter is not a replacement, it never will be.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by hluska »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #113
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

> AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters. When were UK citizens polled on these policies before politicians started enforcing them? And I think after Brexit, the UK government learned never to ask the opinions of their citizens again, because they will vote in direct opposition of the political status quo out of sheer spite of their politicians. There are huge flaws with…

That’s a form of political change - direct representation democracy and recall legislation are both possibilities. The solution is to make electoral change happen, not to complain that everything is hopeless on the internet.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #108
xoa wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? Do you think the general public NEEDS to know those things right now? Because that's what actually mostly drives what people put in the time to learn. This smug elitist "everyone is dumb except me the tech wizard" sort of comment shows up every such thread and it's deeply irksome. Most people are plenty intelligent and can easily learn things…

It's not elitist to remark that people tech skills are atrophying. The zoomers literally have memes about how bad are at tech stuff. Setting a VPN is 100% not trivial, I know that because I recently set up a wireguard vpn on a VPS. Not impossible, sure, but out of the reach for a normal person. Sure, one can ask a techie friend (if one's has a techie friend capable of self-hosting a VPN). So now instead of the gov ba…

One techie can resell his vpn to other people.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by burkaman »

jdietrich wrote: post #92
123pie123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? From my anecdotal evidence, is that it's fucking stupid and hated

Weirdly, the majority of the British public a) support age verification, b) aren't willing to use age verification themselves and c) don't think it'll actually work. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-online-safety-acts-...

Reading the polling questions, it doesn't actually seem that contradictory.

> To what extent do you support or oppose the introduction of age verification checks to access platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders and pornography?

Most people say support, presumably thinking "yeah those things seem bad and kids shouldn't be able to look at them".

> How likely or unlikely would you be to submit any proof of age (e.g. a photo/ video, photographic ID, using banking information, digital ID wallets etc) in order to access... Messaging apps / Social media websites / Online discussion forums / User-generated encyclopedias / Dating apps / Pornography websites

"Ok no I don't like this method, and obviously I'm not going to submit a photo of myself to look at porn." I don't think anybody hearing the first question was thinking "yes I support age verification even if it means blocking Wikipedia".

> And how confident, if at all, are you that the Online Safety Act will prevent children and people under 18 from seeing illegal and harmful material online?

Nothing contradictory about supporting a policy that you don't think will completely work, especially after realizing that you yourself would probably try to get around it.

I think combining or switching the first two questions might produce very different results.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by stuaxo »

Ecstatify wrote: post #121
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

Reads like narration from Adam Curtis.

"What happened next..."

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by hkt »

lokar wrote: post #77
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

The UK hasn't elected a government on 50% or more of the vote since the 1950s:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/717004/general-elections...

It is hard to call minority rule democratic, really. I've no issue with your point on the OSA and think it is widely supported, but let's be realistic, representation in the UK is virtual on matters like this: widely supported, but mostly by coincidence.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by dijit »

potato3732842 wrote: post #104
lesuorac wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And many of those tea importers/smugglers happened to be prominent figures in the future US government. A coup was just good business.

It was terrible business. They'd have all been way better off working with the dominant global and economic power than starting a new country. And that's before you average in all the ones who lost everything and/or died.

It was good business, and those men are immortalised in history.

We should probably not forget that France gave nearly everything they had to the US to fund its revolution, what was a global power ended up in such an impoverished situation that it led to the French Revolution and ended the monarchy.

Not a small amount of support, if you are at the receiving end - certainly smells like good business.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by stuaxo »

lokar wrote: post #85
123pie123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? From my anecdotal evidence, is that it's fucking stupid and hated

They have fair and competitive elections, no?

First past the post, and not proportionally representative - so could be improved a lot.
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