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Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by seeknotfind »

leroyrandolph wrote: post #92
outworlder wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Terrible, this is Internet curfew. If you think this is bad... You can't even have a blog in China without authorization. It doesn't matter if you pay "AWS" for a machine. It won't open port 80 or 443 until you get an ICP recordal. Which you can only do if you are in China, and get the approval. It should also be displayed in the site, like a license plate. The reason "AWS" is in quotes is because it isn't AWS, the…

I laughed when I saw "Nginxia", thinking it was a portmanteau of, well, nginx and wuxia, a Chinese fiction genre. Reality is much less funny when I looked up NWCD, and you likely just made a typo of Ningxia.

"Xia" would map to a single character (code point) in Chinese. For instance, in simplified Chinese, it could be 下 (xia, meaning down), 侠 (martial arts - like the xia in wuxia), or any number of other homophones. Since the characters are already combinatorial, I'm not sure a Chinese speaker would think of this as a portmanteau.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by chickenzzzzu »

buckle8017 wrote: post #33
chickenzzzzu wrote: post #18

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6 months is a very long time.

There is no magic amount of time. If you get a green card and leave the us for any amount of time, on return the border agent makes a determination on the spot if you intended to live abroad. Less than six months is simply less suspicious than more.

And what are you supposed to do if they make a determination against you, return to your passport holding country and hire a lawyer?

If the answer is yes, well then it is yet more proof that the US immigration system operates basically extrajudicially just like the IRS and ATF, and only occassionally do the courts pull them back in after much hardship for the plantiff.

Words and policies are supposed to have meaning, and I doubt we'll get any charts or graphs on border refusals per amount of time spent abroad for GC holders.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by lossolo »

pas wrote: post #102
Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #99

The most depressing is that what happens in China, will eventually happen in the west too. I'm sure certain US, UK, and EU bureaucrats are already crafting campaigns about how this ability will 'save the children' and that it should be implemented immediately (politicians and certain other selected people will be exempt of course).

There's nothing inevitable about this. Civil society needs to organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this. Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better, it's not enough. (Also going and walking up and down is not really effective.)

> Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by lossolo »

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #4

Think of how many people who have remote jobs with American companies couldn't connect to their meetings while they "work from home" while secretly being in China! Normally they have to fight VPN issues anyway, but having a sovereign state inject your packets is certainly a fun new one.

> Normally they have to fight VPN issues anyway

There are special virtual SIM cards that provide access to services from mainland China, as well as VPNs that function normally without issues. I used both while I was in China.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

lossolo wrote: post #123
pas wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing inevitable about this. Civil society needs to organize, coordinate, and spend money on PR about this. Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better, it's not enough. (Also going and walking up and down is not really effective.)

> Right now liberal people mostly sit back and wait for things to get better First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

Precisely. Works every time. It's a like zero-day exploit on society.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

johnisgood wrote: post #118
const_cast wrote: post #109

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But America isn't a place. There's the America s , as in plural, referring to the continents of North America and South America. So America is unassigned, hence why we assigned it to the USA colloquially.

I keep getting down-voted, but I have never been against being specific, in fact, I was advocating to be specific[1], i.e. North American, Latin American, South America, etc. [1] "If someone says "America" to refer to a place, they really ought to specify if they want you to understand them.". Additionally, natural languages are inherently ambiguous. So ugh, I do not think we disagree.

If someone can’t figure out what America I’m referring to when comparing America and China, I’m not sure how much useful conversation is left in them on the topic.

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by [deleted] »

perihelions wrote: post #42
Helmut10001 wrote: post #31

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Starlink are very low orbit. Easy to bring down.

Very expensive to take down 10-100k at once. No one today has that many antisat-capable missiles stockpiled. Relevant, Chinese domestic media reporting on China's own perspective: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3178939/chin... ( "China military must be able to destroy Elon Musk’s Starlink satellites if they threaten national security: scientists" (2022)) > "Researchers call for development of anti-sa…

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Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by johnisgood »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #126
johnisgood wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep getting down-voted, but I have never been against being specific, in fact, I was advocating to be specific[1], i.e. North American, Latin American, South America, etc. [1] "If someone says "America" to refer to a place, they really ought to specify if they want you to understand them.". Additionally, natural languages are inherently ambiguous. So ugh, I do not think we disagree.

If someone can’t figure out what America I’m referring to when comparing America and China, I’m not sure how much useful conversation is left in them on the topic.

Praise to that. :P

Re: Analysis of the GFW's Unconditional Port 443 Block on August 20, 2025

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Post by Retr0id »

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #120
Shank wrote: post #84

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Anyone operating in/around China who needs a real VPN has a service they pay for and use that isn't mainstream that isn't blocked (using V2ray or similar). There's a reason why Shadowrocket is the number 1 app on the app store. I'm sure there are a lot of cases of people using e.g., off-the-shelf VPN apps and have trouble, but power users in China are always running a VPN, usually to Japan, that doesn't have this pro…

How do you propose users in China will magically get around a nation state injecting packets?

> using V2ray or similar
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