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Re: AnduinOS

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

strawhatguy wrote: post #94
KetoManx64 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to recommend Nix now with how deep a hole they've dug for themselves with their leftist politics, banning of users for their political views and forcing the founder to leave the project over politics. Nix logo is now officially LGBTQ colors according to them.

Oy, that's disappointing, I hadn't heard that (and yep checked the website; the logo's changed... sigh). I guess I can dismiss NixOS from my list of possible linux distros. I thought Nix's approach was an intriguing idea, but the last thing I want with my Linux distros is maintainers sidetracked with politics. It means the distro itself takes second place. Yet sometimes less is more anyway, and I've been using Void L…

After a few years using nix for my projects, everything else feels flimsy. They can make the logo be a pile of poo for all I care.

Maybe you're the one who is sidetracked with politics.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by keysdev »

sgc wrote: post #101
TheFreim wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Others can just run a distro for people who believe in open source software. What about Flatpak is contrary to open source software as you seem imply? Flatpak itself is free software, so is most of the software packaged with it. There are quite a few good reasons to use Flatpak, especially for developers who want to make their software available on different distributions without wanting to worry about packaging se…

In the spirit of conversation I will give you my take on this. Things I hate: Flatpak, Snaps, Docker containers, SystemD (different I know, but worth a mention due to the strong emotions nonetheless). Obviously too big a topic to talk about everything, but one common theme in all of them is they are often presented as the only way to do things by the developers that use them. The projects that use them tend to be har…

.deb should be fine too. It can convert to appimages pretty easily.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by strawhatguy »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #121
strawhatguy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oy, that's disappointing, I hadn't heard that (and yep checked the website; the logo's changed... sigh). I guess I can dismiss NixOS from my list of possible linux distros. I thought Nix's approach was an intriguing idea, but the last thing I want with my Linux distros is maintainers sidetracked with politics. It means the distro itself takes second place. Yet sometimes less is more anyway, and I've been using Void L…

After a few years using nix for my projects, everything else feels flimsy. They can make the logo be a pile of poo for all I care. Maybe you're the one who is sidetracked with politics.

Cool, glad it works for you, as I said, it is promising.

Others might be turned off before they get started. In any case, it's a distraction, and has no business in any open source project. Inviting politics in (if that is what the Nix team is doing) puts an upper bound on the distro's reach.

I got curious about it, and yeah, doesn't appear a great community, at least a year ago: https://shealevy.com/blog/2024/05/08/broken-promises-the-nix...

Re: AnduinOS

#124

Post by KetoManx64 »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #121
strawhatguy wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oy, that's disappointing, I hadn't heard that (and yep checked the website; the logo's changed... sigh). I guess I can dismiss NixOS from my list of possible linux distros. I thought Nix's approach was an intriguing idea, but the last thing I want with my Linux distros is maintainers sidetracked with politics. It means the distro itself takes second place. Yet sometimes less is more anyway, and I've been using Void L…

After a few years using nix for my projects, everything else feels flimsy. They can make the logo be a pile of poo for all I care. Maybe you're the one who is sidetracked with politics.

Well of course I do. If a project openly states that they will ban me for my political beliefs, even if I talk about them on my personal website or X account, why in the world would I invest my time and energy in learning how to use it and also investing time into improving the project and submitting bug reports? I'm not a masochist and do not support people that openly hate me and my values.

Re: AnduinOS

#125

Post by anshargal »

It's fun to see new waves of Linux UI polish attempts (like DHH's Ubuntu/Arch scripts, or this project). The Linux desktop could use some care -- and it's the kind of work a single (talented) person can actually do.

The harder problem is the underlying drivers and app ecosystem. Will some third-party package actually run, or will it require qt-2 and then crash on launch? Why is the laptop's webcam upside down, or why is wi-fi dropping every 11 minutes?

One-man distros rarely fix this (unless the person actually has same trouble). It takes a company, that would be willing to invest the sheer human-hours. We had Red Hat, Ubuntu -- companies that did a lot, but eventually capped their investment in the desktop. We need a new one. Until then, we'll keep getting the same experience under a new label.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by spcebar »

newfocogi wrote: post #10

I made it half way down the page before I realized this wasn’t “ArduinOS”. I can’t be the only one.

Presumably a reference to the river in Lord of the Rings or the WoW character, though the relation to either is somewhat lost on me. It is a cool name though.

Edit: or I'm dumb and the author's name is Anduin.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by lrvick »

I have in the past used solutions like these to move elderly people to Linux that cannot emotionally handle a change in icons or where they exist on screen, and would never research technical problems on their own.

Generally a bad call for anyone else who will be unable to apply online advice for linux because the OS they have in front of them which is meant to imitate windows.

Re: AnduinOS

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Post by pkulak »

tombert wrote: post #69

This actually looks pretty neat, particularly the integration with Flatpak. One thing that confused me when I first went to Linux a million years ago was the difference in how you install stuff. With Windows you download an exe file, double click it, next next next finish, and you have your app installed. With Linux, every distro is slightly different and it's almost never quite as straightforward to people. I think…

If you’re gonna install everything as a flatpak, run Debian stable.

Re: AnduinOS

#129

Post by razemio »

mrheosuper wrote: post #114
slim wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On your mobile phone you install software like in linux, by looking it up in the store. Windows is the outlier

I've seen many times in Linux, the version in app store is different from its website(usually outdated).

Yes, this makes sense, since most distros use a "standard release" system. The intention behind it is to keep your OS stable and only apply security patches at some point. If you want to have a system with always the newest software, you need to use a "rolling release " system. I think Arch Linux is the most popular (arch user btw). This is much more fun, if you know what you are doing. Otherwise you will end up with a broken system pretty fast. Ofc you can fix it, but depending on experience and skill something like Ubuntu is the better choice.

Re: AnduinOS

#130

Post by ethersteeds »

sgc wrote: post #101
TheFreim wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Others can just run a distro for people who believe in open source software. What about Flatpak is contrary to open source software as you seem imply? Flatpak itself is free software, so is most of the software packaged with it. There are quite a few good reasons to use Flatpak, especially for developers who want to make their software available on different distributions without wanting to worry about packaging se…

In the spirit of conversation I will give you my take on this. Things I hate: Flatpak, Snaps, Docker containers, SystemD (different I know, but worth a mention due to the strong emotions nonetheless). Obviously too big a topic to talk about everything, but one common theme in all of them is they are often presented as the only way to do things by the developers that use them. The projects that use them tend to be har…

Huh. I'm sure there's some projects that release exclusively via docker or snap/flatpak, but in my experience that's pretty uncommon. Far more often I see a release page with a dozen or more options. Binaries for Arm, AMD64, flatpak, snap, a few flavors of Mac, dockerfile, and of course the venerable tarball. The advanced will have deb and rpm as well. I see these options as very much aligning with the spirit of free or open source software: everyone can pick what's best for themselves.

Obviously when the choices are removed and there's cramming down throats, that's a problem. And I'm sure being forced to shuck software from a container would leave a bad taste. However I don't see the popularity of the formats you dislike as causing a broad decline of those you do.

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