Geneva makes public transport temporarily free to combat pollution spike

Post by baggy_trough » Wed, Aug 13, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

abeppu wrote: post #104

lupusreal wrote: post #96

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Most ghettos aren't built to be ghettos. They were built as nice neighborhoods and have nothing structurally wrong with them, but then had criminals and shitbags wreck the place. Ghettoification can in fact be reversed without any changes to infrastructure by simply having nice people move in who give a shit and make an effort to clean up and maintain their properties. This is derogatorily called "gentrification". Al…

I mean in the US a bunch of them are still the remaining product of redlining policies where racial minorities were allowed to live but banks would not give loans. Housing segregation was planned and enforced. That sounds a lot like intentional creation of a ghetto. And later when cities need to invest in building amenities, or raze neighborhoods to make way for infrastructure, often it's been the minority neighborho…

Post by const_cast » Wed, Aug 13, 2025, 7:31 PM UTC

baggy_trough wrote: post #122

const_cast wrote: post #120

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Or it means oil and automobiles are lucrative industries with huge amount of influence. The reasoning of "we spend a lot of money so it must be good" is just bad. No, we spend a lot of money on stupid shit all the time. Both historically and currently.

I don't think people are as foolish as that when spending large amounts of their own money. There must be a good reason for it.

Post by bluGill » Wed, Aug 13, 2025, 7:35 PM UTC

baggy_trough wrote: post #121

abeppu wrote: post #104

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I mean in the US a bunch of them are still the remaining product of redlining policies where racial minorities were allowed to live but banks would not give loans. Housing segregation was planned and enforced. That sounds a lot like intentional creation of a ghetto. And later when cities need to invest in building amenities, or raze neighborhoods to make way for infrastructure, often it's been the minority neighborho…

Which is a more likely explanation for why banks did not make loans in redlined neighborhoods? A) Every bank is run by racists who are sufficiently racist to ignore a profit opportunity B) The neighborhoods are bad credit risks

Post by bluGill » Wed, Aug 13, 2025, 7:37 PM UTC

MangoToupe wrote: post #110

bluGill wrote: post #68

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> Public transit makes the most sense to fund with property taxes proportional to the benefit that public transit brings in. Which is essentially zero in many cities. And even in cities with transit, an expansion should result in a lot more benefit than they are currently getting, but they need that money now not in 10 years after that expansion is done and the city sees that benefit.

> Which is essentially zero in many cities. ??? How does this make any sense at all? You have no basically economy without transit. And you get a far greater return from mass transit than from roads. > And even in cities with transit, an expansion should result in a lot more benefit than they are currently getting, but they need that money now not in 10 years after that expansion is done and the city sees that benefi…

Post by bluGill » Wed, Aug 13, 2025, 7:40 PM UTC

jewayne wrote: post #106

lupusreal wrote: post #96

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Most ghettos aren't built to be ghettos. They were built as nice neighborhoods and have nothing structurally wrong with them, but then had criminals and shitbags wreck the place. Ghettoification can in fact be reversed without any changes to infrastructure by simply having nice people move in who give a shit and make an effort to clean up and maintain their properties. This is derogatorily called "gentrification". Al…

The ghetto is that bottom 20% living in Hell, not the 79% who merely deal with things that suck. Although I was more referring to our systems more broadly (health care, education, transportation - the topic of this post), let's go with neighborhoods. Are you really trying to pretend that red-lining didn't happen? Or that de facto sundown towns didn't exist at least into the 1980s?