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Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by exasperaited »

iand675 wrote: post #89

Has this data has been archived elsewhere?

Probably. But it is important to understand that this will matter to fewer and fewer people over time.

Because they don't edit the data to make a new objective truth that survives scrutiny, they edit the data to demonstrate their power over data.

People referring to the archived data will simply be denied access to the conversation moving forward; "our opponents keep fighting old battles when the world has moved on".

It works. And it will continue to work shockingly well even when the underlying phenomenon asserts itself in ways that are predicted by the archive data. Look at how Florida is torn between climate change denial and the actual reality of sea-level rises affecting the Keys.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by Joeri »

aeroman wrote: post #59
misja111 wrote: post #55

Does anybody know where I can find a copy of the new report? I'd be interested to read what arguments they came up with.

I think this is the one https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2025-07/DOE_Criti... It is really just a collection of 'skeptic' arguments form the last 20 years or so. Science magazie had an article about it https://www.science.org/content/article/contrarian-climate-a...

Another take from a climate researcher on how the DOE report misrepresents (their) science: https://www.theclimatebrink.com/p/how-the-doe-and-epa-used-a...

A coordinated response is being prepared by climate researchers debunking the whole thing, but the news story has already passed so I don’t know whether it will matter.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by paulsutter »

jacquesm wrote: post #85
paulsutter wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The old reports were somehow protecting us? Carbon emissions can only be reduced by engineering and manufacturing advances

In a way, yes, they were: they forced us to contemplate the long term consequences of our short term actions. Denying that is the opposite of protecting us (and, eventually, our offspring, who will deal with the consequences in a way that we never will). Carbon emissions can first and foremost be reduced by reducing the combustion of fossil fuels . Everything else is just bookkeeping and icing on the cake.

> Carbon emissions can first and foremost be reduced by reducing the combustion of fossil fuels.

Exactly! It can’t be reduced or increased by edits to federal PDF files that nobody reads

Commercial efforts are the only solution, and will happen because new energy is cheaper and better. Photovoltaic and battery improvements are our best path forward. Industrial policy can help but we’ve never really had that in the US

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

exasperaited wrote: post #113
thrance wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, I forgot about that one. There should be a page with a collection of the most egregious stupidities he said, that you could just link to whenever someone is still arguing in his favor.

We really should have understood what was going to happen in the world when someone else tweeted: "Based on current trends, probably close to zero new cases in US too by end of April" Many things make me think Elon Musk uniquely benefits from Gell-Mann amnesia but the idea that anyone should have listened to him about anything other than rockets or cars should have been jettisoned right then and there. Because what h…

He also tweeted about making cars with sub 10 micron accuracy for all parts, so I wouldn't trust him with cars or rockets either.

Clearly his money employs a lot of smart people, some of whom are not actively doing evil.

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Post by akaosns »

jfengel wrote: post #118
akaosns wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe in global warming, but the quasi religious responses here are hard to read. Conserving the environment and taking steps to reduce our impact on the planet is a good thing. To that end, I’m ok with believing in global warming. I believe some of the narrative is used for selfish ends (green energy companies are looking to make a profit, too) and abused, but on the whole it’s a noble cause. The replies here th…

If you don't want to trust the priests, fine. Go do the work yourself. Or take no position at all. Actively rejecting the work of scientists based solely on ideology, that is religion, in the worst sense of the word. They're not heretics. They're just liars.

You could replace the word “scientist” with “priest” in your post and it would be no different.

Rejecting or accepting based on ideology is wrong. And given we lack the technical ability to fully understand global warming, there is no objective truth here.

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Post by stfp »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #68
thrance wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, most people believe in climate change. In a fundamentally anti-human move, oligarchs have put a climate denier in office so he would push against doing anything about it, as it goes against their short-term interests.

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It was also a lot of gerrymandering and disinformation and complacency

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by jemmyw »

reustle wrote: post #108

On a similar note, does anyone notice the issue of most official temperature readings in different climates often reading 5+C lower than what is actually observed locally?

If an official reading is an average over an area or over a time period then it'll always be lower than the peak observed temperature. It doesn't matter so long as it is consistent.

Re: US to rewrite its past national climate reports

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Post by xtracto »

Hikikomori wrote: post #104
throwaway_trump wrote: post #20

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here

>The novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Donald" Windrip, a demagogue who is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government via self-coup and imposes totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force [ICE], in the manner of European fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime and his subsequent struggle against it as part of a liberal rebellion.

Edited for LOLs...

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