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Re: Historical Tech Tree

#121

I dunno man. Surely this is the sort of thing that it makes sense for a historian to do (they don't tend to like this sort of approach).

But they won't do it if they don't like this sort of approach! Which I think is wrong of them btw. But I don't think I've heard from historians much since this project went public.

Re: Historical Tech Tree

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This is cool, but I think the execution is off because there's so much empty space. I think it would work better if the nodes were much smaller and closer together so you can see more of the graph in one screen.

where is the zoom functionality??

Coming... soon...

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#124

Genuine question: how does it make sense that both bread and alcohol fermentation were invented before the domestication of any grain? Were people making bread (and beer!) with gathered seeds?

Yes, there are archeological remains of bread made from wild wheat and barley by hunter-gatherers in Jordan. It makes sense when you think about it, domestication would have happened only if the wild plant was useful, and if the plant was useful then it's likely people experimented with various ways of using it (like baking)

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#125

Tobacco and alcohol are included, but there is no mention of other botanical or mycological developments outside food production. Those would be an interesting addition.

Such as?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_arch...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cannabis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#126

I dunno man. Surely this is the sort of thing that it makes sense for a historian to do (they don't tend to like this sort of approach).

But they won't do it if they don't like this sort of approach! Which I think is wrong of them btw. But I don't think I've heard from historians much since this project went public.

Surely you'd understand how this sort of approach eliminates all contingency from the past. Especially given that tech trees are usually present in video games where they look forward rather than backward.

If you are doing a large project on the history of science (you have clearly put a ton of work into this) but you aren't communicating with historians of science that's concerning to me.

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's the technological difference between Chinese Writing and Western Writing? why are they separate?

(Not an expert but) Chinese writing is hieroglyphic, wheres 'western writing' is phonetic. Western writing has a very small character set and is thus well-suited to a printing press, whereas hieroglyphics have thousands of characters (for thousands of concepts) but aren't fundamentally linked to the language like western characters are.

> Western writing has a very small character set and is thus well-suited to a printing press

This is vastly overstated. This was a widely popularized idea in the west but has largely been debunked by more recent scholarship that is less interested in demonstrating the superiority of the west.

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The traditional way of making a multi-start screw is to use a dividing head and rotate the part an appropriate angle. If you're working with change gears, choosing a gear that's a multiple of the number of starts could provide alternate way to do this.

Oh yes, flipping the screw blank end-over-end would be an awkward way to do it unless you wanted to make a screw with two starts each having opposite errors. Once the screws have gotten good enough you wouldn't need to bother with things like that.

I should have noted that it's a built in dividing head that turns the part between starts.

Any time you let go of a part you're going to have to re-locate it before you start cutting again, and you will lose accuracy in the process.

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Not an expert but) Chinese writing is hieroglyphic, wheres 'western writing' is phonetic. Western writing has a very small character set and is thus well-suited to a printing press, whereas hieroglyphics have thousands of characters (for thousands of concepts) but aren't fundamentally linked to the language like western characters are.

> Western writing has a very small character set and is thus well-suited to a printing press This is vastly overstated. This was a widely popularized idea in the west but has largely been debunked by more recent scholarship that is less interested in demonstrating the superiority of the west.

Do you have links to relevant research?

Re: Historical Tech Tree

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Western writing has a very small character set and is thus well-suited to a printing press This is vastly overstated. This was a widely popularized idea in the west but has largely been debunked by more recent scholarship that is less interested in demonstrating the superiority of the west.

Do you have links to relevant research?

Tom Mullaney at Stanford has a good book on chinese typewriters (this narrative is usually presented against both printing presses and typewriters) and is a good entrance into the intersection of chinese script and technology.

History research is typically published in books rather than papers, so it isn't content I can link to directly.

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