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All states that require voter id have free ids that work for voting.
And how accessible are said ids in every state?
No clue, but not at all relevant to what I was responding to. Please don't move to goal posts.
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>"But these marginalized group of people isn't something we need to worry about right?" Im not sure how you got that impression when I specifically acknowledged that homeless not being able to get id is a real issue.
> That seems like the worst case scenario though? > but at the same time it's unfair to pretend the typical experience of getting a voter id resembles whatever the TV show is depicting either. "Typical" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it typical in your socioeconomic class? No probably not. Is it typical in terms of many millions of people experience this problem every election cycle? Yes. > when I specifica…
>"Typical" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it typical in your socioeconomic class? No probably not. Is it typical in terms of many millions of people experience this problem every election cycle? Yes.
Do you honestly think the median person who can't vote because of voter ID laws is experiencing the same level of difficulty as a homeless person trying to get an ID? If not, then maybe you shouldn't accuse other people of ""Typical" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here".
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not exactly unprecedented and also orthogonal to voter id laws. Scotland, for example, allows foreigners to vote in local elections [1] and makes photo id mandatory [2]. 1. https://www.mygov.scot/voting-in-elections-in-scotland 2. https://www.mygov.scot/voting-in-elections-in-scotland/how-t...
I'm not suggesting otherwise. I'm saying the person I was responding to was wrong. He said it is fox news propaganda to suggest people want non-citizens to vote illegally. People in NYC did just that.
It sounds like some people in NYC wanted non-citizens to vote *legally* on local issues, and were prevented from doing so in any case. How is that in any way the same thing?
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That seems like the worst case scenario though? > but at the same time it's unfair to pretend the typical experience of getting a voter id resembles whatever the TV show is depicting either. "Typical" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it typical in your socioeconomic class? No probably not. Is it typical in terms of many millions of people experience this problem every election cycle? Yes. > when I specifica…
>"Typical" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Is it typical in your socioeconomic class? No probably not. Is it typical in terms of many millions of people experience this problem every election cycle? Yes. Do you honestly think the median person who can't vote because of voter ID laws is experiencing the same level of difficulty as a homeless person trying to get an ID? If not, then maybe you shouldn't accuse oth…
You're somehow creating this weird dichotomy where if someone is struggling more then another person can't be experiencing difficulty either. It's possible for both problems to exist and you're playing some weird competition of "well if someone has it worse then your issue isn't as bad". No, both problems are bad and trying to stack rank between them is weird - is disenfranchising black people because of racism worse than disenfranchising the homeless? It's still disenfranchisement at the end of the day.
Pretending like voter ID laws are about the median voter is being willfully blind. If it was, they'd be pared with "free ID" legislation and making sure there's polling places commensurate with the size of population centers. But it's not - it's always purely about disenfranchising people. I'm all for voter ID laws if and only if they're pared with making voting easier. As standalone measures intended to harm specific groups I'm not in favor of them.
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#126I'm really not sure how we've normalized corrupt behavior at the highest levels of government. Penalizing law firms for supporting things that Trump doesn't like is insane. Doubly so when they enter agreements to provide free legal services for things he does approve of so that they can "get the monkey off their back" so to speak. All I can hope for is that we punish this behavior in the future when grifting and viol…
"We" haven't. Conservatives explicitly have. Unfortunately there are a plurality of conservatives so they get to decide that blatant and open corruption is fine actually. Hopefully the non-voters wake the fuck up but I'm not optimistic.