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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by matthewfcarlson »

bjt wrote: post #115

What did you train the model on? Assuming it was trained on all the music online, without permission, it's kinda shitty to take all musicians' work like that and use it to make a product to put them out of business. I draw a distinction here from LLMs used for writing code. Plenty of people freely put their code on Github or in Stack Overflow with the expectation that people could freely copy and use it. Relatively l…

> Created in collaboration with labels, publishers, and artists, Eleven Music is cleared for nearly all commercial uses, from film and television to podcasts and social media videos, and from advertisements to gaming. For more information on supported usage across our different plans, head here.

Not sure what that actually means but it suggests they at least tried to get their training material legally.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by nonhaver »

Absolutely horrendous - well and truly. Ignoring the dystopic undertones of a product like this - the audio quality is low and filled with artifacts and destroyed transients. Voices are robotic and generic with basically zero emotion. Lyric generation is frankly embarrassing. Everything about this is horrible. Additionally the UI broke for me multiple times and I couldn't play the track without downloading it.

What is going on at ElevenLabs? Is everything vibe coded now? Is there nobody testing these products before pushing them out? This is the first time I'd characterize a product from a top AI company as complete slop from a conceptual and implementation perspective.

I feel like there's some sort of disconnect between the minds of tech CEOs and the general population's wants/needs especially in regards to creative domains. What kind of human wants this? Is there some grudge of tech people who never learned music/art/etc so their solution is to optimize it and create models so they can feel something?

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by recursive »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #100
fruitworks wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's such a great pile of bullcrap, you could frame it and hang it up in a museum! The point I'm making is that a unique framing only results in a single piece of worthwhile conceptual art. You can't have an infinite factory of ducamp's fountain. What makes the piece worthwhile is that it was an original idea. Conceptual art is different from decorational art in this sense. The AI music is a largely a homogenous sy…

I don't disagree that being novel has it's place in framing art, and I still believe that a Fountain Factory could certainly be framed as art. To your other point, sorry, but artistic/aesthetic essentialism hasn't been serious position for at least a hundred years. As long as there is a perceiver, there is a frame. The idea that nature is intrinsically beautiful is a frame. It's fine to hold that but it shouldn't be…

There's a difference between a factory that is art vs a factory that produces art.

There's only one factory, and the concept works only once.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by recursive »

Levitz wrote: post #120
ronsor wrote: post #41

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The fact that these models have so many people irritated like there's sand in their pants is enough proof that they're pushing boundaries and making some uncomfortable.

Not every boundary is worth pushing. I'm hoping it will eventually become better, or maybe I haven't quite seen stuff prompted properly yet, but all I've heard coming from an AI feels aggressively mediocre and average, not in a "bad" way but in the "optimizing towards being palatable to the average person" way. Like the perfect McDonalds meal that the algorithm has found out can be 30% sawdust and still feel appetizi…

Besides the point, but I think that's basically what happened to Subway.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by stronglikedan »

tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by nonhaver »

thefaux wrote: post #96
ronsor wrote: post #41

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The fact that these models have so many people irritated like there's sand in their pants is enough proof that they're pushing boundaries and making some uncomfortable.

Yes, because the people pushing the boundaries do not understand the value of the thing they are trying to commoditize. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to commoditize it. There is a pervasive attitude among technologists that they can improve things they don't understand through technological efficiency. They are wrong in this case and getting appropriate pushback. Personally, music is sacred for me so making mo…

Well put and reflects my thoughts exactly. It's borderline concerning there are people who consume this type of media by choice and forethought.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by MarcelOlsz »

TrackerFF wrote: post #101
MarcelOlsz wrote: post #94

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>With that said, I do believe that musicians will start to create music with these tools as aid. The more tech advances the cooler it is to bury your head in the sand. Studying by paper & candlelight has never been more of a flex. Unless you're talking about EDM people and those adjacent. Not that they're not "real musicians" but they're much more about tech and gadgets so I can see them using it more.

I'm a "real" musician, and have done session / studio work, as well as made a living by playing live music in my younger days, before getting a "real job" in tech. While there will no doubt be many that feel they're above using tools like these, the reality is that if you want to make money out of music - you're going to make music for the masses. And if there's one thing these models really excel at, it is to make c…

Ah yeah, I don't even register the commercial world so didn't mention it as it's a given. Doing that type of work would suck so bad IMO.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by krapp »

asukumar wrote: post #118
krapp wrote: post #59

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They said the same thing about automation when the Industrial Revolution began a century or so ago. That the common worker would be liberated from the drudgery of labor and be free for creative and intellectual pursuits. The people who protested were ridiculed as Luddites who simply feared technology and progress. Of course, because automation serves the interests of capital (being created by, and invested in, by the…

Are you suggesting that subsistence farmers were better off than workers after the industrial revolution? I find that hard to believe.

In some ways, yes, they were.

Subsistence farmers weren't cramped in filthy disease ridden workhouses, getting paid in company scrip, getting mangled by machines (OK they were but probably not as often) or being locked into burning buildings because preventing theft of stock was more important to owners than the lives of employees. And subsistence farmers owned what they produced and the means by which it was produced, whereas industrial workers owned nothing but the pennies in their pocket, and likely owed more than that to the company.

It took years of often violent protest for workers to return to even the basic level of dignity and rights once afforded to craftsmen and farmers. Not that the lives of subsistence farmers and craftsmen were good, but they were better than what the dehumanization of mass production and automation created.

But then comparing farmers and workers in this context is a bit specious. It would be more fair to compare, say, textile workers before the automated loom and textile workers after. Obviously the former had it much better off, which was precisely the problem automation was intended to solve.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by dillutedfixer »

throwaway1280 wrote: post #40

This is an incredible achievement, but as a musician, I wish this would go die in a fire. I'm a bedroom hobby musician with no dreams of ever making it big, but even so, I'm looking at the hours I'm spending trying to improve my skills and thinking what's the point, really, when I could just type in 'heavy metal guitar solo at 160bpm, A minor' and get something much much better? I know there is value in creating art…

Like you, I am just a hobbyist making beats in my room. No expectations of ever being a real musician. But when I'm jamming and I create a beat and synth line, start adding other instruments and really get a song going, there is a feeling that I get that an generated song will never ever ever be able to recreate for me. It's like a rush, an almost a euphoric tingling (and no I'm not on drugs) that happens that almost feels like a runners high. No output from a prompt-driven AI algorithm would ever do that to me. That's the value I see in making art for arts sake, for practicing a craft and for trying to just get better at something for the sake of getting better at it.
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