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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by azangru »

WJW wrote: post #35
willvarfar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is breaking news over the last few days. Some of the coverage https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c0146...

Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? North Korea is recognized by (almost?) every country too, but that doesn't mean anyone is hurrying to provide aid to starving North Koreans. Similarly the international recognition of Azerbaijan and Armenia did nothing to prevent one from taking Nagorno-Karabach from the other earlier this year. So "recognizing the Palestinian state" is all good and well, but unless anyone…

> Sure, but what kind of action does it imply?

A BBC article from a couple of days ago lists about 150 countries that have recognized a Palestinian state, dating back to 1988 (which is, btw, when North Korea recognized it). I don't know what kind of action it implies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgp5z1vvj5o

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by Intermernet »

narcissism987 wrote: post #59

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The people of Palestine aren't the perpetrators. If you believe they are, you've bought into a lie. It's a similar lie to blaming the actions of the Israeli government on "All Jews".

Both Hamas and the Israeli government are responsible for recent atrocities. Factually, the Israeli government are responsible for many more deaths, especially of children, than Hamas.

Stop defending or blaming sides when the sides aren't, in actuality, what you're defending or blaming.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by chickenzzzzu »

hydrogen7800 wrote: post #79
chickenzzzzu wrote: post #22

Hopefully people will now see the benefit of not centralizing basically all of the power and money on Earth in institutions. It is extremely annoying how it is a natural fact of life that entities tend to agglomerate and acquire each other, when instead the best way to ensure freedom and openness is through federation.

>Hopefully people will now see the benefit of not centralizing basically all of the power and money on Earth in institutions. I'm interpreting your comment in the context of scientific institutions being beholden to centralized institutions (i.e. the US federal gov't) via funding. Is that accurate? If so, what's the alternative? The explosion in scientific and technological research in the the 20th century was enable…

Yes you are correct in your interpretation. Here's my further opinion:

Those with power and money fund things. Anything else just a name-- "aristocracy", "government/democracy", "private companies".

The reality is, we are all fighting one way or another for the attention and benevolence of those more powerful and wealthy than us, and boy are they fickle. So, you might as well hope for a federation of hundreds of entities, rather than the world we currently have, which is realistically in the dozens at most.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

Did Terence Tao or the other researchers whose grants have been suspended violate Title VI? This just seems like dishonest excusemaking for extortion. UCLA would dispute that they violated Title VI, so the Trump regime is pulling out a bat and breaking their researchers' kneecaps until they agree to give in.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

vFunct wrote: post #104
nyeah wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Democratic party supports Israel just fine. The party is not run by weirdo academics who can't even remember the Hamas attacks. The worst that serious Democrats might do is publicly compare Israel's current behavior to the US's lashing out at Afghanistan after the WTC attacks.

The Democratic Party doesn't support Israel at all. The current elected officials do, but not the base. Polls show support for Palestine over Israel at a 5:1 ratio. This is resulting in current Democratic elected officials being removed from power when their term expires, starting with the US Presidency last year, which was lost BECAUSE of their support for Israel. A YouGov poll earlier this year showed the primary r…

Sorry, that is a mix of speculative fiction and self-contradiction. The GOP supports Israel at least as strongly as the Democrats do. So how did Harris' support for Israel cost her the election?

Supporting Israel, including acknowledging their right to respond militarily to terrorist attacks, is one thing. Falling deeply in love with Netanyahu's current policies is another. Freaking out and caring only about Hamas is ... a third thing.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by elcritch »

mgaunard wrote: post #118
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

why does US law have articles to specifically protect one ethnic group instead of being generic and protecting them all?

They do to my knowledge, the quote is the specific violation of the civil rights act.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by schaefer »

littlestymaar wrote: post #53
pklausler wrote: post #18

The country born out of the scientific enlightenment is eagerly devolving back into medieval mindlessness.

For people despising the Muslim world, those people are working hard to reproduce their fate: going from the most enlightened place on earth to religious obscurantism.

Another way to say that would be: the USA is finally doing to itself what it did to Iran. Toppling a liberal democracy in favor of an authoritarian cult of personality with the support of a fanatic religious sect.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

lupusreal wrote: post #108
nyeah wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really think the Trump administration is committed to its pro-Israel position? If they flipped sides, how long would it take for 90% of their voters to adjust and be happy again?

Whatever Trump personally feels, he is demonstrably acting in Israel's interests. Maybe they have him blackmailed through Epstein stuff, or maybe he supports Israel due to his family connections or bribes. It doesn't really matter, the end result is the same.

Agreed, but not what I asked.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by twixfel »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #100
twixfel wrote: post #89

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I can certainly see why the Israelis don't want it. I would start with ending the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank and end the war in Gaza before Israel ends up any more of a pariah state than it already is. Colonisation in 2025 is a really, really bad look tbh.

Fair, although I I think it's pretty clear that no one would want that, just as you claim no one would agree to the UN partition. And I think colonization is really the wrong term here, it's just two native populations fighting over a piece of land - not exactly a new historical concept.

Right, "settler colonialism" is probably the more precise term. Colonialism is too vague.

> it's just two native populations fighting over a piece of land - not exactly a new historical concept

That doesn't mean it's not colonialism. And the Israelis have less right to the West Bank than I, as an Anglo-Saxon, have to Lower Saxony, which is still not very much.

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