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Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by boston_clone »

cpursley wrote: post #95
boston_clone wrote: post #91

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Could you provide some evidence to support your assertion that highly enriched foods are degrading health? Public health experts contend that enriched foods have improved baseline quality of life. Wheat breads with iron, folate, and B vitamins in the US is an easy example.

Trace those public health experts funding sources... Hint: it's the farm-bill dependent carb farmers who apparently need our money via farm subsidies and want poor people hooked as they get it from the other end in the form of SNAP.

No; this is a deliberately misleading non-sequitur with decades of evidence to refute.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10609867

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Post by boston_clone »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99
boston_clone wrote: post #91

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Could you provide some evidence to support your assertion that highly enriched foods are degrading health? Public health experts contend that enriched foods have improved baseline quality of life. Wheat breads with iron, folate, and B vitamins in the US is an easy example.

> Could you provide some evidence to support your assertion that highly enriched foods are degrading health? Getting nutrients from whole foods is generally superior, for absorption and balance and avoiding overdosing, than getting it from supplements, whether taken directly or via enrichment. That said, getting a nutrient any way is better than running a deficiency. For most of agricultural human history, in most so…

> That changed with enrichment.

You’re close. According to the paper, that changed with agriculture some 480 generations ago; enrichment is merely the solution.

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Post by rickydroll »

morkalork wrote: post #62
giantg2 wrote: post #28

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There are situations where mouthwashes are beneficial, such as with injuries... Just not the stuff you buy at the store. The best mouthwash for those situations is just warm salty water.

I'll just add that chlorohexadine mouthwash is probably the most vile thing I've ever put in my mouth; like gargling essence of hospital.

Being that guy: Chlorhexidine is the correct spelling. It is what Nate the hoof guy uses when cleaning cow hoof wounds.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nate+the+hoof+g...

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by rickydroll »

adastra22 wrote: post #112
riffraff wrote: post #20

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I don't use Listerine but I didn't get this: trouble in bed of what kind? I couldn't get it from the linked article. I never knew high blood pressure correlates with bad sleep or bad sex (if anything, meds for high blood pressure come with negative effects on that).

> I never knew high blood pressure correlates with bad sleep or bad sex. I don't know about bad sleep, but definitely bad sex. ED is an early indicator of hypertension.

From personal experience, yes, it does. My blood pressure comes down only when I sleep in a very quiet room with no light.

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Post by MengerSponge »

hinkley wrote: post #72
cjbgkagh wrote: post #54

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Anecdotally I get gut dybiosis (microbiome imbalance) that notably only occurs when using artificial sweeteners and stops when I stop taking it, I’ve talked to many others who have noticed the same thing. Gut dysbiosis can cause chronic systemic inflammation which is rather bad for the body, not sure if it’s worse than the sugar it replaces, but it shouldn’t be assumed that the problem is solved by low calories. I th…

Sugar alcohols are especially bad for this. I fried my GI one year and it was largely down to developing a gum chewing habit at a time when sugar alcohols were in almost all gum brands. You can’t process them, but bad gut bacteria can.

It sucks so much, because xylitol appears to be very good for your teeth but bad for your heart:

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol...

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Post by MengerSponge »

hinkley wrote: post #74
MengerSponge wrote: post #29

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Wine (and grape juice) was cooked in lead vessels, which generates Lead(II) Acetate aka Sugar of Lead. They lead poisoned themselves coming and going. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate

Pre enlightenment Europe also saw cheap wine being sweetened with a lump of lead suspended in wine barrels. Around the World in Six Glasses will tell you that tea replacing wine lead to Progress in Europe because they weren’t drunk all day but I wonder how much was inebriation and how much was lead exposure.

Smells like a little of column A, a little of column B.

Beer was also widely prevalent, right? Even if it's just small beer (<3%ABV), it's not exactly making you smarter. It's hard to hit the Ballmer peak, after all

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Post by thenaturalist »

Beijinger wrote: post #118
christophilus wrote: post #9

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You shouldn’t use mouthwash at all ever. It’s a nuke to the microbes in your mouth. There was a long, rambling discussion with a functional dentist on the Primal Podcast[0] that goes into this. [0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNrm-9sp-RQ

You should definitely use mouthwash. For healthier teeth and problems like Alzheimer might also be correlated: https://expatcircle.com/cms/how-to-clean-your-teeth-and-save...

Erythritol and Xylitol do have a strong correlation with severe coronary diseases and risk of strokes under certain preconditions according to newer studies though.

Also not really advisable for people with Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

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Post by thenaturalist »

stepanhruda wrote: post #49
ulf-77723 wrote: post #32

Some time ago I read the book Complete Guide to Sports Nutrition by Anita Bean, which does also emphasize on not using antibacterial mouthwash since it removes the beneficial bacteria in the mouth which convert nitrate to nitrite. I‘m drinking beetroot juice since 3 years now and asked myself if beetroot capsules might be an alternative.

I recommend using a mouthwash based on xylitol which kills strains like streptococcus mutans but does not impair these nitrate reducers.

Erythritol and Xylitol do have a strong correlation with severe coronary diseases and risk of strokes under certain preconditions according to newer studies though.

Also not really advisable for people with Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by thenaturalist »

jeffbee wrote: post #69
thallium205 wrote: post #45

One of the problems with beetroot though is that it is loaded with sugar.

So? Every living human needs a lot of calories every day.

If you do not differentiate between sugar and calories you clearly can learn a lot about the human digestion and microbiomes.

Complex (slow) carbs [does it feed your microbiome predominantly] != easy (fast) carbs [does it quickly go into your bloodstream and cells]

Re: Beetroot juice lowers blood pressure by changing oral microbiome: study

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Post by hinkley »

MengerSponge wrote: post #126
hinkley wrote: post #74

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Pre enlightenment Europe also saw cheap wine being sweetened with a lump of lead suspended in wine barrels. Around the World in Six Glasses will tell you that tea replacing wine lead to Progress in Europe because they weren’t drunk all day but I wonder how much was inebriation and how much was lead exposure.

Smells like a little of column A, a little of column B. Beer was also widely prevalent, right? Even if it's just small beer (<3%ABV), it's not exactly making you smarter. It's hard to hit the Ballmer peak, after all

Beer was their water treatment plan. You drank watered down alcohol as a way to avoid waterborne illnesses. Tea is boiling water which we still use to this day to deal with the water supply being contaminated.
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