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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by foresto »

michaelt wrote: post #48
silisili wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm old. Well, no, I am relatively old. Either way, when I see a person or business advertise a Discord link, I immediately think of either as immature. I miss the days of forums, and wish something like them could thrive again instead of rather private, but importantly ephemeral chats.

> I miss the days of forums, and wish something like them could thrive again instead of rather private, but importantly ephemeral chats. Open source projects have long had ephemeral chats, private to the people in the chat at that moment - it just used to be called IRC.

And they have also long had places for collecting persistent, searchable information alongside their IRC presence; usually public bug trackers and/or forums.

It has become all too common for a project to offer only Discord, which not only makes all community-collected information more or less ephemeral, but also locks it away behind some corporation's ever-changing terms and conditions, some of which are onerous.

GP's complaint is not that ephemeral chats exist, but rather that there is often nothing else.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by subscribed »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #51
snerbles wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The California legislature is already working on forcing operating systems to attest the age of the user at the account level. See the recent gut-and-amend of AB1043 [0], which was a privacy bill [1] just a few months ago: > This bill would require, among other things related to age verification on the internet, a covered manufacturer to provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder…

I’ve often talked about in private settings about how running open source OSes and DRM-free setups would likely become illegal in the future. With every passing day this vision seems closer to reality.

"you must be a terrorist or a child abuser if you're so afraid of security... Unhackable phone? What are you hiding? "

Add several big TV shows, op-eds in national press and it'll start shifting even without the laws.

My money is on the UK leading the charge.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by MBCook »

skybrian wrote: post #115
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

The Apple and Google wallet apps have ways to add your id, but the web apis aren’t widely available yet. Here’s Google’s doc: https://developers.google.com/wallet/identity/verify/accepti... Looks like it will support zero knowledge proofs?

A ton of states also don’t support it.

I, for example, couldn’t add my driver’s license even if I wanted to.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by MBCook »

dom96 wrote: post #58
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

The solution is easy. A government national ID.

The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports.

But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites.

All of that obviously ignores the problems in privacy from doing any of this in the first place, etc. i’m starting to think I’m on the side of our national ID given how much of a mess everything is with our current patchwork. But I certainly wouldn’t want to be giving it over to random sites.

We have sort of accidentally set up a system in which verifying someone’s age is a really really hard problem. If a credit card number or trying to use a photograph are the best tools we have it’s clear this doesn’t work.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

MBCook wrote: post #124
dom96 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

This is one of my biggest issues with pretty much any ID verification legislation. If the Gov wants to enforce ID verification, it is incumbent on the Gov to bend over backwards to ensure that everyone impacted is given a free, secure ID. I refuse to accept any situation where someone is excluded from public participation because they can't afford or are otherwise unable to acquire an ID.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Iulioh »

MBCook wrote: post #124
dom96 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

If you are trying to find someone who did it, in Italy we have "IO" (bad name for SEO purposes but hey....) and that's basically it.

It mostly works.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by sapphicsnail »

MBCook wrote: post #124
dom96 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

The solution is easy. A government national ID. The US refuses to do this, so we get a mess. Every state has different drivers license, Social Security numbers aren’t secure at this point, most people don’t have passports. But if there was a true national ID, the government could provide APIs to verify those. Then these kind of things would be easy for the apps/sites. All of that obviously ignores the problems in pri…

I'd rather have a mess than allow the federal government to have more power over me. I'm trans and I would have to out myself every time I needed to show ID if I had to give up my state driver's license. I like not having to worry about getting harassed whenever I want to go to a bar.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by beeflet »

tzs wrote: post #99
wood_spirit wrote: post #75

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They will also know your habits and kinks etc.

It can be done in a way that prevents that. Briefly, the government can give you a digital copy of your driver's license or passport or whatever that can be bound to a hardware security key you have. Most modern smartphones have a suitable security key built. To verify your age for a site a zero-knowledge proof (ZKP) can be constructed for the site to prove that you have that document, it says your age is above the t…

>Most modern smartphones have a suitable security key built.

Breaking any security key weakens the whole system

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Terr_ »

dylan604 wrote: post #108
Spivak wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you talking about? The government gets to cheat and use the IRL ID verification they do already for licenses. * You create your account as part of your license renewal and have a normal-ass login. As part of that your account is manually marked as being 18+ (or just your age) by the person behind the counter. * The government publishes a few public certs which will be used to verify. * Then you go to your ac…

> The problem gets a lot easier when you have a country wide IRL ID system already in place and can write laws. every time a country wide ID comes up, people freak the fuck out about state's rights and it being a power grab. people are already freaking out about RealID. it will take a very authoritarian system to force this through, yet it's the supporters of that leader that are the most vocally against it.

I don't think we can really trust in all those years of stated preferences, now that the revealed ones are so different. They folks who often say "States' rights" have always been the most willing to violate them if it gets them what they want.

Meanwhile, the rest of us should have new fears of a National ID feature. Republicans in administrator-roles recently started corrupting federal databases, fraudulently marking living people as dead [0] in order to kill their accounts, while firing the people who pointed out it was flagrantly illegal.

It doesn't require any imagination for the same bad administrators to illegally disable National ID logins because you posted something that hurt the cult-leader's feelings. The feature cannot be made safe if the framework is still open to crooks.

[0] https://www.cbpp.org/blog/trump-and-doge-claim-power-to-fals...

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