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Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Citations are citations, if it's a link, you link to it. But using shorteners for that is silly.

It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.

Fix that at the presentation layer (PDFs and Word files etc support links) not the data one.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Modern webservers are very, very fast on modern CPUs. I hear Google has some CPU infrastructure? I don't know if GCP has a free tier like AWS does, but 10kQPS is likely within the capability of a free EC2 instance running nginx with a static redirect map. Maybe splurge for the one with a full GB of RAM? No problem.

You could deprecate the service, and archive the links as static html. 200bytes of text for an html redirect (not js).

You can serve immense volumes of traffic from static html. One hardware server alone could so easily do the job.

Your attack surface is also tiny without a back end interpreter.

People will chime in with redundancy, but the point is Google could stop maintaining the ingress, and still not be douches about existing urls.

But... you know, it's Google.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Google’s own services generate goo.gl short URLs (Google Maps generates https://maps.app.goo.gl/ URLs for sharing links to map locations), so I assume this shutdown only affects user-generated short URLs. Google’s original announcement doesn’t say as such, but it is carefully worded to specify that short URLs of the “ https://goo.gl/ * format” will be shut down. Google’s probably trying to stop goo.gl URLs from being…

This actually makes the most logical sense to me, thank you for the idea. I don't agree with the way they're doing it of course but this probably is risk mitigation for them.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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I have always struggled with this. If I buy a book I don’t want an online/URL reference in it. Put the book/author/isbn/page etc. Or refer to the magazine/newspaper/journal/issue/page/author/etc.

I mean preferably do both, right? The URL is better for however long it works.

We are long, long past any notion that URLs are permanent references to anything. Better to cite with title, author, and publisher so that maybe a web search will turn it up later. The original URL will almost certainly be broken after a few years.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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From the blog post: "more than 99% of them had no activity in the last month" https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-li... This is a classic product data decision-making fallacy. The right question is "how much total value do all of the links provide", not "what percent are used".

From Google's perspective, the question is "How many ads are we selling on these links" and if it's near zero, that's the value to them.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

#126

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Citations are citations, if it's a link, you link to it. But using shorteners for that is silly.

It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.

Adding an external service so you don’t have to store a few hundred bytes is wild, particularly within a pdf.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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post #126

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It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.

Adding an external service so you don’t have to store a few hundred bytes is wild, particularly within a pdf.

It's not the bytes.

It's the fact that it's likely gonna be printed in a paper journal, where you can't click the link.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.

Fix that at the presentation layer (PDFs and Word files etc support links) not the data one.

Let me know when you figure out how to make a printed scientific journal clickable.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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Google killing their domains service was the last straw for me. I started moving all of my stuff off of Google since then.

I'm still shocked that my google voice number still functions after all these years. It makes me assume it's main purpose is to actually be an honeypot of some sort, maybe for spam call detection.

Another shocking story to share.

I have a tiny service built on top of Google App Engine that (only) I use personally. I made it 15+ years ago, and the last time I deployed changes was 10+ years ago.

It's still running. I have no idea why.

Re: Google's shortened goo.gl links will stop working next month

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From the blog post: "more than 99% of them had no activity in the last month" https://developers.googleblog.com/en/google-url-shortener-li... This is a classic product data decision-making fallacy. The right question is "how much total value do all of the links provide", not "what percent are used".

> The right question is "how much total value do all of the links provide", not "what percent are used". Yes, but it doesn't bring in the sweet promotion home, unfortunately. Ironically, if 99% of them doesn't see any traffic, you can scale back the infra, run it in 2 VMs, and make sure a single person can keep it up as a side quest, just for fun (but, of course, pay them for their work). This beancounting really mak…

If they wanted the sweat promotion they could add an interstitial. Yes, people would complain, but at least the old links would not stop working.
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