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Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by pbasista »

sixQuarks wrote: post #93
mttch wrote: post #88

I wouldn’t buy Tesla again but I’ve never experienced software issues in mine. Although some of the menus could be re-arranged for clarity, it’s otherwise clear and responsive. The app is great and the third party apps are even better. I’ve not heard positive things from VW or MG owners in terms of software either. Is there any good alternative to Tesla in this domain?

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> You just don’t hear about the other ones.

That is possible, yes. I think it is a fair point.

But I also understand that people want to somehow publicly show their opinions about Elon Musk. Or others.

For some, a public social media post is enough. Others want to do so with their wallet. Which, unlike a typical person's social media post, has the potential of catching, albeit indirectly, Elon Musk's attention. Which is their goal.

So I would not dismiss or make fun of the people who want to do it this way. I would not call it "virtue signaling" either if it is done with a genuine goal to publicly point out that some of Elon Musk's opinions are problematic or even dangerous.

These people are most likely not doing it because they want to "look like" they have a problem with such opinions. They do it because they genuinely believe that such opinions are harmful.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by kccqzy »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #52

The open secret to EV ownership is to lease. This effectively mitigates depreciation and forces a dealership to own any problems (sooner rather than later).

Leasing will require you to carry comprehensive and collision insurance. With a fully owned car like mine, I carry only the liability insurance. This in practice more than halves my insurance premium payments. The reduction in insurance premium more than offsets any financial benefit of a lease with an artificially high residual value. (Leases are only beneficial because the residual value does not match reality.)

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by hedora »

runako wrote: post #85
nicce wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What reliable is left?

Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, Honda. Not sure if Hyundai & Kia are quite as reliable, but if not it's on them because they have some of the best warranties in the industry.

Our Kia is a deathtrap due to bad active safety assist software.

It's also miserable to drive because of beeping, controls that cannot be seen by the driver, and a dozen other obvious problems.

Supposedly Hyundai fixes such stuff before release, but I wouldn't risk it.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by vinni2 »

eckelhesten wrote: post #12

Volvo sadly no longer stands for Swedish quality and safety. What you’re buying is essentially an overpriced Chinese car with Volvo stickers. And I’m saying this as a Swede. Buy German cars, specifically within the Volkswagen auto group (Audi, VW, Skoda etc) if you want reliable quality.

Isn’t it Chinese owned now?

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by slaw »

nicce wrote: post #64
blueflow wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> .... if you want reliable quality. I'm saying this as a German, i strongly reject those accusations. Do not buy from VW group (and not from PSA/Stellantis (Citroen, Fiat, Opel etc brands), either).

What reliable is left?

> What reliable is left?

Vehicles with 7 or more years of warranty. If a brand has a hype, but short warranty like Toyota, it is only a hype.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by MontgomeryPy »

hurrrr wrote: post #62

The best cars were built between 2000 and 2010. Pretty much the pinnacle of the internal combustion engine without all the millions of lines of buggy code that apparently no longer allow you to open your car freely.

Yes (and tip of the hat to my fellow 00s Saab owners!)

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by coderenegade »

jorvi wrote: post #50
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Japanese cars the gold standard of reliability? Or has something changed?

To be honest, it has never been about pure brand. Every brand has had clunkers and has had great models. Having said that, Toyota is known for their reliability, and Volvo (+ Polestar) was / are known for their safety. Just to emphasize the point: Nissan is doomed because generally no one wants their cars, but they have perhaps one of the greatest bang-for-buck EVs outside of Chinese brands: the Leaf 2.

Nissan makes fantastic cars that develop a following, and then proceeds to change everything about the car that created a following in the first place. Mitsubishi seem to be learning this skill from them. Toyota still sells cars that have a direct lineage to the original model 40 years ago, and charges a fortune for them.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by Marsymars »

PaulHoule wrote: post #103
runako wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, Honda. Not sure if Hyundai & Kia are quite as reliable, but if not it's on them because they have some of the best warranties in the industry.

For a long time Consumer Reports has ranked cars as Japanese > American >> European, European cars have some luxury cachet but if you want a car that starts when you turn the key look elsewhere. American cars came a long way since the 1970s when they really were trash.

Consumer Reports currently has Audi and BMW ahead of any American manufacturer.

Brand average reliability is tricky though, on their 100-point scale, their top manufacturer (Subaru) has models that range from 38-98.

Looking at the model breakdown... I kinda suspect they don’t really have enough datapoints - VW’s reliability only includes 3 models (the Tiguan, ID.4 and TAOS) - Ford has a 25-point difference between the Escape and Maverick hybrids that share the same engine/powertrain (I can’t think of any reason why the Maverick would actually be notably more reliable than the Escape unless the PHEV escape is dragging down weighted reliability by that much over the mild hybrid), etc.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by prmph »

runako wrote: post #85
nicce wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What reliable is left?

Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, Honda. Not sure if Hyundai & Kia are quite as reliable, but if not it's on them because they have some of the best warranties in the industry.

Mazdas too. I find Toyota's suspensions and driving dynamics terrible. Mazda represents a perfect combination of good Japanese reliability and good handling dynamics. I also like that they still offer a proper automatic transmission in their cars (as opposed to the CVT epidemic in other makes), as well as naturally aspirated engine options (whereas many other makes only offer turbos now).

The days of their collaboration with Ford are long gone, and with it their body durability problems. They still collaborate with Toyota though.

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