I just learned air-gapped includes private networks. I was under the impression this strictly meant isolated non-networked computers. Was this always the case or has the term diluted over time?
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#122I just learned air-gapped includes private networks. I was under the impression this strictly meant isolated non-networked computers. Was this always the case or has the term diluted over time?
In my circles we include private networks going back at least 15 years. So maybe diluted, but if diluted, at least not new.
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#123I just learned air-gapped includes private networks. I was under the impression this strictly meant isolated non-networked computers. Was this always the case or has the term diluted over time?
I think it just depends on the context you're talking about. Air gapped just means there's no connection between two things so it could be talking about networks or individual computers.
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#124I think it’s hilarious that this is something they specifically had to do, and was apparently hard?
All my software works fine in completely air-gapped environments.
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Indeed. For multiple reasons: - it is not at all surprising that when you remove cruft, code performs batter - it is not at all surprising that this is not common enough amongst software engineers to even consider these things (competing business interests probably cause this often)
Not being connected to the work VPN already slows down my Windows to a near halt since a few unreachable network drives is all it takes to make Explorer go unresponsive. Seems like engineers forget to test these things nowadays.
If by ”nowadays” you mean the past 30 years. Slow network drives making Explorer go completely unresponsive has been a thing since Windows 95.
I’m more surprised to hear that bug still hasn’t been fixed. Luckily I don’t use Windows myself since many years ago.
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Airgapped systems have an air gap between the system and the wider world. The only way to move data to and from them is for someone to walk across the gap with physical media. There are no communication cables between the host system and the wider world.
There are other ways, of course. * air-gap malware can be designed to communicate secure information acoustically, at frequencies near or beyond the limit of human hearing. * In 2014, researchers introduced ″AirHopper″, a bifurcated attack pattern showing the feasibility of data exfiltration from an isolated computer to a nearby mobile phone, using FM frequency signals. * In 2015, "HELLONE", a covert signaling channe…
Don't forget Stuxnet which crossed the airgap via infecting USB Devices.
Re: We built an air-gapped Jira alternative for regulated industries
#127After a U.S. federal contractor told us they loved Plane but couldn't use it due to ITAR requirements, we spent 6 months building a truly air-gapped version. No external connections, no license pings, no telemetry, everything runs in complete isolation. The interesting part: our air-gapped deployment actually runs faster than our SaaS version. Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. This…
> The interesting part: our air-gapped deployment actually runs faster than our SaaS version. This is the least surprising thing I’ve read all day.
All year maybe?
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> Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. Even Atlassian doesn't use Jira cloud. Btw it's not "JIRA".
What a weird time to enforce British rules for acronyms. JIRA stands for JIRA Isn't Really Awesome.
I always say Janky Irritating React App.
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> Turns out when you eliminate all network latency, things get snappy. Same experience with JIRA. I read all these negative comments here and elsewhere about how slow and clunky JIRA was, and I couldn't relate at all. Then I realized all those who complained was using JIRA Cloud and we were using on-prem, and it all made sense. We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. We moved and none of the…
Just open the network tab and refresh a page in Jira and you will understand. It isn’t too noticeable on a LAN. Stick the internet in there and it is painful. The worst I have seen is self hosted and accessed over Netskope ZTNA. Truly an abomination.
LAN? What about WFH?
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> We've since moved to JIRA Cloud ourselves, and I understand now. Jira on-prem was dog slow, yes, especially if it didn't live on the same server as the database. But Jira Cloud? It isn't much faster than that! It's a piece of hot mess. Loading placeholders everywhere . Really I have absolutely zero idea what Atlassian is doing, but I know for sure optimizing for performance is not amongst the things they are doing.
Yeah, this whole pattern of loading a million placeholders and then watching the page awkwardly snap into layout is just sad. Especially when you know that you could have shown just as much information in a "server side rendered" piece of PHP in 2005 with less latency.
That would be Redmine.