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Most foie gras is from ducks these days.
Is this an important distinction? Goose or duck they suffer the same.
Ducks are assholes.
You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens
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Foie-gras geese and ducks are free range, at least in France. That's a different story when you buy the cheap eastern european ones.
is the forced feeding until their liver balloons with fat free range too or...
So you think that free range geese who are forced fed have a worth living condition that the vast majority of animals raised for their meat ?
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but if we go there we need to ask a more fundamental question. (to avoid a misinterpretation of what i am saying, i'd like to make clear that i am not vegan or vegetarian, i do eat meat and eggs) the question on where life begins is rather irrelevant until we answer the question of where the life of a chicken is supposed to end. if the possibility that life may begin at conception is going to be a consideration when…
That's not quite right. These male chicks are from fertilized eggs. They are the ones that, had they been female, would have become the next set of egg layers. The eggs we eat, at least the factory farmed variety, and most / all from commercial egg farms are not fertilized. Hens lay whether they've known the touch of a rooster or not. [0]. [0] https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/can_you_hatch_an_egg_bought_fr...
you are right, yes, the eggs from big producers are not fertilized. i forgot about that detail. but depending on where you are there is a good chance that you can get fertilized eggs as well, or can't be certain that they are not fertilized. nevertheless it does change the equation, because it would be possible to ensure that only unfertilized eggs are consumed. thank you for the correction.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
is the forced feeding until their liver balloons with fat free range too or...
So you think that free range geese who are forced fed have a worth living condition that the vast majority of animals raised for their meat ?
I think force feeding geese is so horrible it _almost_ doesn't matter if they're free range or not.
It's like saying a torture victim that gets water boarded daily at least gets 10 minutes of exercise every day.
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There's an effect where the visceral emotional response to an execution method overrides the actual cruelty of the act. Lethal injection, for example, is probably horribly painful for at least some of those that experience it[1] but it looks humane to observers. Meanwhile, the trusty guillotine would be my chosen way to go since it's nearly instant. [1] https://eji.org/news/lethal-injections-cause-suffocation-and...
There's plenty of time to feel excruciating panic walking up to bend over and lose your head. The cut itself may be instantaneous but that's not really all there is to it.
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Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens
#126To those arguing that this is irrelevant, I urge you to search for a video of this "culling" yourself. All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right. And while there are still many issues remaining in the meat industry (arguably its existence at all), this is one less.
> conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. I haven't seen it, and correct me if this is not the case, but it doesn't strike me as a bad way to go. Getting macerated beats most of the ways humans and wild animals die. Do these chicks have any idea "what hit them"?
Not to get all woo, but it feels like a complete disregard for the sanctity of life. Animals are more than just an inconvenient package for protein.
Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens
#127To those arguing that this is irrelevant, I urge you to search for a video of this "culling" yourself. All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right. And while there are still many issues remaining in the meat industry (arguably its existence at all), this is one less.
> All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right.
Where on the evolutionary scale do you draw the line and why, though?
Remember that the feeling you experience is a very messy heuristic that exists to perform a basic evolutionary function. People have similar feelings when Boston Dynamics robots (or similar things) are kicked/'abused', even though they would never attribute any awareness or even the experience of pain to them.
A feeling should always be the starting point of a rational appreciation of the situation; things are rarely "simply not right" and feelings are often wrong.
Re: You can now buy eggs from in-ovo sexed hens
#128To those arguing that this is irrelevant, I urge you to search for a video of this "culling" yourself. All the logic in the world can't ease my stomach after watching a conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. It's simply not right. And while there are still many issues remaining in the meat industry (arguably its existence at all), this is one less.
I've seen it: It's gruesome, but I'm not sure if in-ovo sexed roosters have a better end, or if its just more palatable to watch. Eggs take 21 days to hatch, in-ovo techniques work at 9 - 15 day post laying, depending on the technique used. Couldn't find any details on how developed the embryo is at 15 days, but 2/3's done feels pretty far along.
They develop very rapidly in their last couple days so the 15 day embryo is a long way from the 21 day hatchling: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-72004-y/figures/2
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#129Is there really a big difference if the chick is destroyed shortly before or shortly after hatching? Why is hatched-or-not the ethical standard?
The embryo is a lot less developed at the 9-15 day window, there's not a chance to really feel pain or panic and from a human perspective they're a lot less cute so their death is less affecting.
The change from barely differentiate lump to chick happens rapidly in the last few days: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-72004-y/figures/2
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> conveyer belt of chicks get dumped directly into a meat grinder. I haven't seen it, and correct me if this is not the case, but it doesn't strike me as a bad way to go. Getting macerated beats most of the ways humans and wild animals die. Do these chicks have any idea "what hit them"?
Not to get all woo, but it feels like a complete disregard for the sanctity of life. Animals are more than just an inconvenient package for protein.
Thanks I understand and I wasn't trying to be callous but does the manner of death matter in this regard?