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Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by root_axis »

arandomusername wrote: post #109
root_axis wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Saying twitter is the most censored is completely delusional It's simply the facts. Elon allows people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones on the site because they share a political agenda. Twitter is the only social media site where e.g. links to competitor platforms are suppressed while the owner of the site artificially boosts his own posts above those that are more popular. Twitter is the most cutting edge censors…

What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites. Links to competitor platforms being suppressed lol. Other social media sites ban you for having viewpoints that do not align with theirs. Who cares about linking to competitor platforms?

> What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites

They don't agree on everything, but it's simply wrong to state they are on opposite sides. They're both far right public figures and extreme Trump supporters that later became critics of the administration. I wouldn't label Elon as a Nazi, but he thinks racism is based just like Fuentes and is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet.

> Links to competitor platforms being suppressed lol

That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss it says a lot about your intellectual honesty on the topic.

> Other social media sites ban you for having viewpoints that do not align with theirs

Totally false.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by tslocum »

tslocum wrote: post #91

Why is this still flagged? Edit: Even though my comment is gaining an increasing amount of votes, it has suddenly moved to the bottom of the comments, as though it were dead. Edit2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44511132 (blackholed?)

The linked post got 13 points in 2 hours, and has just been flagged. It was already missing from any front pages before being visibly flagged.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250709152608/https://news.ycom...

https://web.archive.org/web/20250709172615/https://news.ycom...

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

root_axis wrote: post #121
arandomusername wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites. Links to competitor platforms being suppressed lol. Other social media sites ban you for having viewpoints that do not align with theirs. Who cares about linking to competitor platforms?

> What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites They don't agree on everything, but it's simply wrong to state they are on opposite sides. They're both far right public figures and extreme Trump supporters that later became critics of the administration. I wouldn't label Elon as a Nazi, but he thinks racism is based just like Fuentes and is generally supportive of Nazi talking poi…

Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024.

Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?

> is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet.

Like what?

> That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss it says a lot about your intellectual honesty on the topic.

Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship. I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by tim333 »

jhickok wrote: post #82
tim333 wrote: post #78

Musk was earlier saying Grok's sources had been too lefty leading it to say right wingers were more violent than left wingers and he'd fix it. Looks like maybe he overshot?

I was wondering if this is a tweak of the data sources, or if an easier explanation is that this is a system prompt and perhaps they are not using the prompt that they made open and available online. Changes in the system prompt are much easier to update afaik.

Yeah guess so. That might explain why the change isn't subtle.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

arandomusername wrote: post #123
root_axis wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites They don't agree on everything, but it's simply wrong to state they are on opposite sides. They're both far right public figures and extreme Trump supporters that later became critics of the administration. I wouldn't label Elon as a Nazi, but he thinks racism is based just like Fuentes and is generally supportive of Nazi talking poi…

Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024. Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? > is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet. Like what? > That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss…

> Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas?

i think it's 100% true that somebody can be racist and also want to abuse the H1B program for personal gain

> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

which opposing view? let's be specific. some views are actually based in antisocial, harmful, selfish, worthless greed and we don't have to platform them.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by root_axis »

arandomusername wrote: post #123
root_axis wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What political agenda does he share with Nick Fuentes? They are complete opposites They don't agree on everything, but it's simply wrong to state they are on opposite sides. They're both far right public figures and extreme Trump supporters that later became critics of the administration. I wouldn't label Elon as a Nazi, but he thinks racism is based just like Fuentes and is generally supportive of Nazi talking poi…

Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024. Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? > is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet. Like what? > That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss…

> Elon is not far right by any metric.

He's obviously far right and everyone knows this, it's not worth my time to argue the point. Funny coming from someone throwing out insults like "delusional".

> Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view?

The two do not contradict each other. We're on HN, everyone understands the financial dynamics that underpin Elon's support for Indian immigration, none of that precludes him from racism. Your reasoning is even weaker than "the black friend" defense.

> Like what?

There are many examples. Google "you have said the actual truth" for one. I won't do further research on your behalf since you don't really care.

> Censoring competitor platforms is the least of my concerns when it comes to censorship

In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.

> I am much more concerned about opposing views being silenced.

And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants. It seems to me that you're just dismissing it because it aligns with your biases.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by Rapzid »

kevingadd wrote: post #13

If this screenshot isn't omitting some truly exculpatory context (I can't imagine what kind of context would justify it), it appears to be Grok advocating for truly abhorrent behavior: https://bsky.app/profile/kthorjensen.bsky.social/post/3lti7l... Though "advocating" is probably too anthropomorphizing, I'm not sure what the right verb is for this.

There is a ton of missing context. Who is "he" and what is the "scenario"? Is the poster asking about what Hitler might do? The response sounds like something Hitler would do..

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by wg0 »

c-hendricks wrote: post #43
rideontime wrote: post #10

Axios made the mistake of linking directly to X instead of archived copies; they've been manually cleaning up some of the worst offenders. Here's some archived examples, the first is the one that first went viral. https://archive.is/fJcSV https://archive.is/I3Rr7 https://archive.is/QLAn0

Oh my, that second one is so apt. "Just telling it like it is, truth ain't always comfy", god they've given it the personality of the worst people you've ever spoken to.

Sounds like Musk and Joe Rogan had a baby.

Re: Elon Musk's Grok praises Hitler, shares antisemitic tropes in new posts

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Post by arandomusername »

root_axis wrote: post #126
arandomusername wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is not far right by any metric. Nick is. Nick isn't an extreme trump supporter, he even advocated for not voting for him in 2024. Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? > is generally supportive of Nazi talking points which he is wont to retweet. Like what? > That's literally systematic censorship. The fact that you so flippantly dismiss…

> Elon is not far right by any metric. He's obviously far right and everyone knows this, it's not worth my time to argue the point. Funny coming from someone throwing out insults like "delusional". > Elon thinks racism is based? Same Elon that wants millions of indians with H1-B visas? Is that the far right view? The two do not contradict each other. We're on HN, everyone understands the financial dynamics that under…

Elon is not far right. It's just a label thrown at people as an attempt to invalidate their views rather than confronting the views themselves.

Ah yeah, he's so racist that he wants millions of foreigners in his country. It makes absolute no sense. You also haven't even provided any reasoning for him being racist.

> Google "you have said the actual truth" for one

That one is actual truth btw. But of course, in true "Nazi" fashion, he did an apology tour in Israel and in auswitzch.

It's funny how the claims of nazi links is always far reaching at straws. Oh he replied "you have said the actual truth" to someone on twitter talking about white hatred. Or he did a "nazi salute" while saying my heart goes out to you! Always nothing of substance. Nothing he does is pro 'nazi'. Importing millions of foreigners as a nazi is like being a jewish nazi btw. Goes completely against the ideaology.

I don't like elon musk but calling him racist/a nazi is just completely wrong.

> In other words, you don't actually care about censorship, you just have an axe to grind.

No, I care about censoring people's views and opinions and not censoring links to other platforms. If you can't see the difference then you are being dishonest.

> And yet Twitter regularly silences critics while propping up sycophants

No it doesn't regularly silence critics. Sometimes he will temporarily ban someone in his tantrum. Like I said, not perfect, but far better than any other mainstream social media. Regular stuff on twitter would get you insta banned elsewhere.

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