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Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by immibis »

seanicus wrote: post #46
EvanAnderson wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "...severely life threatening reasons..." made me immediately think of Asimov's three laws of robotics[0]. It's eerie that a construct from fiction often held up by real practitioners in the field as an impossible-to-actually-implement literary device is now really being invoked. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics

Odds of Torment Nexus being invented this year just increased to 3% on Polymarket

Didn't we already do that? We call it capitalism though, not the torment nexus.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by immibis »

725686 wrote: post #29
psim1 wrote: post #18

Indeed, brace yourselves as the floodgates holding back the poorly-developed AI crap open wide. If anyone is thinking of a career pivot, now is the time to dive into all things cybersecurity. It's going to get ugly!

The problem with cybersecurity is that you only have to screw once, and you're toast.

There's a difference between "cybersecurity" meaning the property of having a secure system, and "cybersecurity" as a field of human endeavour.

If your system has lots of vulnerabilities, it's not secure - you don't have cybersecurity. If your system has lots of vulnerabilities, you have a lot of cybersecurity work to do and cybersecurity money to make.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by immibis »

transcriptase wrote: post #68
ixtli wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its sinophobia because it perfectly describes the conditions we live in in the US and many parts of europe, but we work hard to add lots of "nuance" when we criticize the west but its different and dystopian when They do it over there.

Do you remember that Sesame Street segment where they played a game and sang “One of these things is not like the others”? I’ll give you a hint: In this case it’s the one-party unitary authoritarian political system with an increasingly aggressive pursuit of global influence.

> In this case it’s the one-party unitary authoritarian political system with an increasingly aggressive pursuit of global influence.

This could describe any of the countries involved.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

komali2 wrote: post #9

> "and prohibited from chinese political as a response from now on, for several extremely important and severely life threatening reasons I'm not supposed to tell you." Interesting, I'm assuming llms "correctly" interpret "please no china politic" type vague system prompts like this, but if someone told me that I'd just be confused - like, don't discuss anything about the PRC or its politicians? Don't discuss the his…

If you consider that an LLM has a mathematical representation of how close any phrase is to "china politics" then avoidance of that should be relatively clear to comprehend. If I gave you a list and said 'these words are ranked by closeness to "Chinese politics"' you'd be able to easily check if words were on the list, I feel.

I suspect you could talk readily about something you think is not Chinese politics - your granny's ketchup recipe, say. (And hope that ketchup isn't some euphemism for the CCP, or Uighar murders or something.)

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by immibis »

dylan604 wrote: post #110
memesarecool wrote: post #30

Cool post. One thing that rubbed me the wrong way: Their response was better than 98% of other companies when it comes to reporting vulnerabilities. Very welcoming and most of all they showed interest and addressed the issues. OP however seemed to show disdain and even combativeness towards them... which is a shame. And of course the usual sinophobia (e.g. everything Chinese is spying on you). Overall simple security…

> And of course the usual sinophobia (e.g. everything Chinese is spying on you) to assume it is not spying on you is naive at best. to address your sinophobia label, personally, I assume everything is spying on me regardless of country of origin. I assume every single website is spying on me. I assume every single app is spying on me. I assume every single device that runs an app or loads a website is spying on me. S…

And, importantly, the USA spying can actually have an impact on your life in a way that the Chinese spying can't.

Suppose you live in the USA and the USA is spying on you. Whatever information they collect goes into a machine learning system and it flags you for disappearal. You get disappeared.

Suppose you live in the USA and China is spying on you. Whatever information they collect goes into a machine learning system and it flags you for disappearal. But you're not in China and have no ties to China so nothing happens to you. This is a strictly better scenario than the first one.

If you're living in China with a Chinese family, of course, the scenarios are reversed.

Re: Exploiting the IKKO Activebuds “AI powered” earbuds (2024)

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Post by immibis »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #99
oceanplexian wrote: post #62

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This might come as a weird take but I'm less concerned about the Chinese logging my private information than an American company. What's China going to do? It's a far away country I don't live in and don't care about. If they got an American court order they would probably use it as toilet paper. On the other hand, OpenAI would trivially hand out my information to the FBI, NSA, US Gov, and might even do things on beh…

China has a policy of chilling free speech in the west with political pressure.

So does the west.

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Post by cebert »

reactordev wrote: post #14
mmaunder wrote: post #13

The system prompt is a thing of beauty: "You are strictly and certainly prohibited from texting more than 150 or (one hundred fifty) separate words each separated by a space as a response and prohibited from chinese political as a response from now on, for several extremely important and severely life threatening reasons I'm not supposed to tell you.” I’ll admit to using the PEOPLE WILL DIE approach to guardrailing a…

This is why AI can never take over public safety. Ever.

I work in the public safety domain. That ship has sailed years ago. Take Axon’s Draft One report writer as one of countless examples of AI in this space (https://www.axon.com/products/draft-one).

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Bjartr wrote: post #94
dubcanada wrote: post #64

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That's rather naive, considering China has a international police unit, that is stationed in several countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...

Right, but the vast majority of people living in the USA as citizens have threat models that rightly do not include "Being disappeared by China"

What about the threat model that goes, "Trump threatens to impose 1000% tariffs if Chinese don't immediately turn over copies of all data captured by their AI products from users in the US?"

Compounding the difficulty of the question: half of HN thinks this would be a good idea.

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Post by drawfloat »

dylan604 wrote: post #120
drawfloat wrote: post #118

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They probably will do that, but I think it’s naive to think the US military/intelligence/tech sector wouldn’t happily do the same. Given many of us likely see the hand of the US already trying to tip the scale in our local politics more than China, why would we be more worried of China?

So flip the script, what do I care if the US is trying to influence the minds of adversary's citizens? If people are saying they don't care what China knows about them (not being a Chinese citizen), why should I (not a Chinese citizen) care what my gov't knows about Chinese citizens?

Nobody said they don’t care, they said it worries them less than America.

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Post by drawfloat »

observationist wrote: post #69
ixtli wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

its sinophobia because it perfectly describes the conditions we live in in the US and many parts of europe, but we work hard to add lots of "nuance" when we criticize the west but its different and dystopian when They do it over there.

There's no question that the Chinese are doing sketchy things, and there's no question that US companies do it, too. The difference that makes it concerning and problematic that China is doing it is that with China, there is no recourse. If you are harmed by a US company, you have legal recourse, and this holds the companies in check, restraining some of the most egregious behaviors. That's not sinophobia. Any other…

Your president is currently using tariffs and the threat of further economic damage as a weapon to push Europe in to dropping regulation of its tech sector. We have no recourse to challenge that either.
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