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What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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post #41

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What I want is a pill that makes me exercise.

I unironically offer the opinion that the pill that you're looking for is amphetamines.

Been on them for over decade, they don't work that way -- at least for me. Not sure I want them to work that way either. I am not sure working out on stimulants is the best for the body. The candle that burns twice as hot burns twice as fast.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

#122
post #61

You only like amphetamine for the adrenaline dump and dopamine. Also life changing doesn't necessarily mean for the better.

I found it quite effective in helping me to grind leetcode when I was job hunting while working full-time but YMMV. Perhaps I would've gotten the same gig, but I tried doing a month without it and found my ability to power through was significantly lower than with amphetamines. Maybe it was because the amphetamine gave me an artificially high amount of dopamine which offset the inherently boring nature of the task.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time.

Hahahahahahahahaha

Been doing ~daily resistance training for > 10 years, have a hell of a build, and do not experience anything like this. I have had a couple of injuries, but never anything that caused me pain outside of the gym.

Ditto for many of my friends/colleagues.

Sounds like you may just be in a bubble of fatties

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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post #10

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

My issue with exercise is that it's boring as sin. I rather do manual labor or play a sport than go to a gym. There is just something that feels so artificial about running on a human-designed hamster wheel or picking up heavy objects and putting them back down for no reason real, useful reason.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

#125
post #20

While I like your project, there should be strong warnings. Some of the substances listed, like amphetamines, aren't just supplements, they actively and unavoidably alter your brain function. Their effects are "much less subjective", others, like omega-3, may have (or not) benefits that you don't feel at all.

I echo that. If you're considering this list, please consider talking to a physician first, yes, even if you're in the US. Self-medicating based on randos on the Internet or a few cherry-picked studies is irresponsible, doubly so when dealing with addictive substances with nobody to oversee the therapy, triply so when in a country with no safety net for people with addiction, or sick people in general.

And before you say I appeal to authority, I understand people don't respect doctors or their country's healthcare system, but I suggest they should acquire formal medical education themselves before starting to put random shit in their body. And no, reading the entire body of blogs by Scott Alexander does not count.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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The answer to miserable health isn't exercise. It's high quality sleep.

It's not a dichotomy, both is good. I find my sleep and appetite improving with exercise, too; sleep can improve with physical tiredness on top of mental.

It's a shame how strong the reinforcement loops are. It's hard to sleep well without good exercise, and it's hard to exercise well without good sleep.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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On the flip side, I get absolutely garbage sleep if I don't eat within about 1-2 hours of going to sleep.

Same - I also read a study saying 22% muscle synthesis increase with 40 grams of casein before bed and one saying protein before bed improved sleep quality.

I really feel casein before bedtime improves my sleep drastically! (I have a bucket of micellar casein powder)

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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I genuinely don't eat bread. Terrible carb source. I'll eat steel cut oats, quinoa, rice, beans/lentils, etc. But not bread.

What makes bread a bad source of carbs?

It's glycemic index score

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

#129
post #14

It is frustratingly hard for me to trust most any nootropic discussion nowadays. Without many large random trials, there are as many questions as answers afterwards. It doesn't help that I'm on Adderall, but if left to my own devices, would absolutely skip it. I'm assuming I benefit in the able to think way from it. Largely the only reason I know I missed a dose is if I find I lose my patience quickly with others.

> Without many large random trials

That, historically, does not work well for neurochemistry. Large random trials are good for an average biological response of profitable chemicals, but it seems there are significant differences in neurochemistry, between people, that these don't capture. If you've ever had a prescription for most anything mental related, like ADHD, depression, etc, there's never just one drug, there's a panel that you just kinda go through until one works for your personal neurochemistry, with some having detrimental side effects for some people.

Unsurprisingly, it seems to be the same with many of these nootropics. I've had several very negative reactions to common nootropics at fractional doses, where others have positive experiences at many times the dose. A few resulted in migraines every day I took it, until I stopped, with one quickly resulting in depression and the only suicidal thoughts of my life, which went aways just as fast as I stopped. One hurt my short term memory so much I couldn't repeat a phone number (a very potent racetam like).

Some nootropics are precursors, which are mostly self regulating/supplements, but there are many out there that very actively poke low level neurochemicals, and your personal response will vary, just as is expected in the regulated drug world.

Min/maxing personal neurochemistry won't come from large random trials.

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