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Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by 0x20cowboy »

bunderbunder wrote: post #100
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Okay. It also coincides with the end of the post-pandemic hiring boom and the UK bank rate going from 0.1% to 5.25%. It's kind of funny that reliable data analysis has never been part of the AI hype when you consider that AI is used for data analysis.

> It's kind of funny that reliable data analysis has never been part of the AI hype when you consider that AI is used for data analysis. If you've ever tried to use AI to help with this kind of analysis, you might find this to be more inevitable than it is funny. It's really, really, really good at confidently jumping to hasty conclusions and confirmation bias. Which perhaps shouldn't be surprising when you consider…

> It's really, really, really good at confidently jumping to hasty conclusions and confirmation bias.

Kind of like entry level software engineers.

I am kidding, I believe the market has more to do with tax changes than AI. I just couldn't pass up the joke.

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Post by 9rx »

honkycat wrote: post #102
9rx wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voters and lobbyists are the same thing. Regularly telling your elected hire what to do is the onus on all participants in a representative system. The employee you hired isn't a mind reader. The only reason we imagine that there is a distinction is because most voters are too lazy to talk to the person they hired, so those who do stand out.

> Voters and lobbyists are the same thing one is a large corporation with money paying for access and favors, the other is a regular person who votes. Absolutely absurd.

You may be thinking of a specific lobbyist, but that specificity is now only being introduced in your comment. It does not apply to comments that came earlier.

It remains that the system of government in the US expects regular lobbying from all voters. Without other qualifiers, lobbyists and voters are the same thing.

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by efficax »

eru wrote: post #43
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Okay. It also coincides with the end of the post-pandemic hiring boom and the UK bank rate going from 0.1% to 5.25%. It's kind of funny that reliable data analysis has never been part of the AI hype when you consider that AI is used for data analysis.

> It also coincides with the end of the post-pandemic hiring boom and the UK bank rate going from 0.1% to 5.25%. I agree that the former is a strong signal. However the latter doesn't tell you anything without further context: did interest rates go up, because the economy was strong, or did rising interest rates dampen the economy? (It's similar to how you can't tell how hot it is in my apartment, purely from looking…

interest rates are controlled by central bankers, not magic. they make decisions based on their analysis of the economy. they raised rates to slow down the rate of investment and to suppress wages, in order to get inflation under control. Less money in circulation means reduced demand means prices stay lower, meaning lower inflation. that's the theory anyway, and the explictly expressed reason for raising rates by central banks. there's no mystery about it.

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by InkCanon »

These jobs are being offshored to India. You can tell by how they're massively hiring there.

Google launches largest office in India https://www.entrepreneur.com/en-in/news-and-trends/google-la...

Microsoft India head says no layoffs in India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mic...

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by eru »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #113
eru wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For now, that speed-up just looks like a win because it’s novel, but eventually the speed-up will be baked into people’s expectations. It will still be a win: the rewards for the new productivity have to go somewhere in the economy. Just like other productivity improvements in the past, it will likely be shared amongst various stakeholders depending on a variety of factors. The workers will get the lion's share.

> rewards for the new productivity have to go somewhere in the economy Unless it goes to me I'm not entirely sure why I should care I'll keep doing things the old way thanks, unless I personally get some benefit from it "You are more productive but compensated the same" just shows how many of you are suckers

Compare and contrast https://pseudoerasmus.com/2017/10/02/ijd/

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by layer8 »

eru wrote: post #62
MajimasEyepatch wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But presumably you could have built it before, just slower, which is the point. For now, that speed-up just looks like a win because it’s novel, but eventually the speed-up will be baked into people’s expectations.

> For now, that speed-up just looks like a win because it’s novel, but eventually the speed-up will be baked into people’s expectations. It will still be a win: the rewards for the new productivity have to go somewhere in the economy. Just like other productivity improvements in the past, it will likely be shared amongst various stakeholders depending on a variety of factors. The workers will get the lion's share.

> The workers will get the lion's share.

This doesn’t seem to be supported by history.

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by causal »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #57
bachmeier wrote: post #34

Okay. It also coincides with the end of the post-pandemic hiring boom and the UK bank rate going from 0.1% to 5.25%. It's kind of funny that reliable data analysis has never been part of the AI hype when you consider that AI is used for data analysis.

There are complex economic shifts happening but LLMs ("AI") have little practical to do with it. Stupendous loads of money have been allocated to a solution looking for a problem to solve. https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2025-06-2...

That reallocation of capital is also a culprit

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by ianm218 »

TSiege wrote: post #23
reedf1 wrote: post #9

I think it is possible that the widespread introduction of ChatGPT will cause a brief hiatus on hiring due to the inelasticity of demand. For the sake of argument , imagine that ChatGPT makes your average developer 4x more productive. It will take a while before the expectation becomes that 4x more work is delivered. That 4x more work is scheduled in sprints. That 4x more features are developed. That 4x more projects…

I am not asking this as a gotcha, but a genuine curiosity for you or other people who find AI is helping them in terms of multiples. What is your workflow like? Where do you lean on AI vs not? Is it agentic stuff is tab by cursor? I find AI helpful but no where near a multiplier in my day to day development experience. Converting a csv to json or vis-versa great, but AI writing code for me has been less helpful. Beyo…

I'm in the same boat of some of the other commenters using Claude Code but I have found it atleast a 2X in routine backend API development. Most updates to our existing APIs would be on the order of "add one more partner integration following the same interface here and add tests with the new response data". So it is pretty easy to give it to claude code, tell them where to put the new code, tell it how to test, and let it iterate on the tests. So something that may have taken a full afternoon or more to get done gets done much faster and often with a lot more test coverage.

Re: Entry-level jobs down by a third since launch of ChatGPT

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Post by malfist »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #107
eru wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't AI mean you have to think less hard than before?

No, solving problems yourself is easier than understanding solutions that AI serves to you

Yeah, but I could just not understand the AI solution and just run with whatever it give me. No effort there. If something doesn't work, I can just tell the AI to fix it.

(Not a serious suggestion, but I do see this in the wild a lot)

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