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Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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DOGE did not exist in 2015. This project was shut down in 2015.

How was it shut down in 2015 when the article claims it has been shut down abruptly just recently?

Do you mean it was planned to be shut down in 2015? And where does that come from?

If it was planned in 2015, then I agree that's a relevant detail omitted by the article. Although it also doesn't take away completely from the larger context of government cuts and privatization.

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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The intent is to disable the capability to ignore the data. If you allow access to someone else, you're not preventing the data capture and dissemination. If the data shows hurricanes are intensifying in strength due to climate change, and you no longer capture the data, you can say with a straight face "No it isn't and you can't prove it." How large systems with exposure to these places (insurance, capital markets)…

I think it’s even more nefarious than that. They can attack other countries that claim intensifying climate and weather scenarios by saying their data is biased while claiming to have the best data in the world but not share for national security reasons. While this may seem like something unbelievable to you or me it is easily eaten up by their supporters who love propaganda. Like, my republican parents are convince…

What I find interesting is how clear your media biases shine through even while attempting to make a statement about how this is something that's happening to the other side.

I haven't seen evidence that the Austin robotaxi launch was unreasonably bad. There were a couple viral incidents of undesirable behavior, though no collisions as far as I've heard, which is significantly better performance than one expects from typical human drivers.

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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post #68

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> What do you do when you don't have the data to accurately price risk? Insurance companies will just be sending up their own satellites, and that is the true goal. Force people to pay money to private entities for a service that used to be provided by the government for free. Functionally, in such a system there is no difference between that and regular taxes, just in a private system there's opportunities for those…

SpaceX earns less money if we don't relaunch what we already have, and they have a satellite design division, Musk is somewhat on the outs with the admin right now but was behind lots of the cuts like this. On the other hand, in the first Trump admin the AccuWeather spam site guy was trying to restrict NWS data to private companies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Lee_Myers I think AccuWeather opposed the Project…

And here it is: https://spacenews.com/spacex-scores-81-6-million-space-force...

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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post #104

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> Hurricane risk has been grossly exaggerated for years Year-over-year, economic impacts and disruptions due to tropical cyclones are dramatically rising. Most of this is an exposure issue. But long-tail events - like Andrew's utter devastation of Homestead in 1992 or Katrina's unique confluence of storm surge in urban/suburban parishes in LA - can and do happen. One day, there will be another Galveston or Homestead.

That day being essentially yesterday. Since Katrina, the next 10 costliest hurricanes are all after . We don't dwell on the Ikes, Idas, and Helenes because they often happen to smaller communities and they've become common enough that we've gotten a little fatigued.

Well put.

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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post #5

It's part of the Administration's war on ... Florida?

I was about to say this -- the impact is to deep red states -- Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. They all voted for this with extreme skew towards the current policies. What is the point of trying to save this satellite data if the very people most affected dont care for it?

> What is the point of trying to save this satellite data if the very people most affected dont care for it?

Because people still should not suffer... jeez.

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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post #35
post #24

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Did DOGE not ditch hundreds of probationary employees at NOAA, cancel numerous contracts, get 1000 people to take early retirement offers, get rid of buildings, etc? And now the current funding request enacts a ~30% funding cut. I'm not sure the factual issue you're seeing. Is it that the statement wasn't definitive enough in saying that DOGE apparently was a large part of instituting these cuts? (Yes, I know OPM imp…

My understanding is this was set up to happen roughly a decade ago and is just now manifesting. It has pretty much nothing to do with DOGE.

The sentence that is quoted is about how both of these things are simultaneously happening right now, even if one was precipitated earlier

Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

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“Researchers say the satellites themselves are operating normally and do not appear to have suffered any errors that would physically prevent the data from continuing to be collected and distributed, so the abrupt data halt might have been an intentional decision.” Wait, the U.S. aren’t even going to try selling the satellites? We’re just scrapping them?

The intent is to disable the capability to ignore the data. If you allow access to someone else, you're not preventing the data capture and dissemination. If the data shows hurricanes are intensifying in strength due to climate change, and you no longer capture the data, you can say with a straight face "No it isn't and you can't prove it." How large systems with exposure to these places (insurance, capital markets)…

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Re: Loss of key US satellite data could send hurricane forecasting back 'decades'

#129
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s even more nefarious than that. They can attack other countries that claim intensifying climate and weather scenarios by saying their data is biased while claiming to have the best data in the world but not share for national security reasons. While this may seem like something unbelievable to you or me it is easily eaten up by their supporters who love propaganda. Like, my republican parents are convince…

What I find interesting is how clear your media biases shine through even while attempting to make a statement about how this is something that's happening to the other side. I haven't seen evidence that the Austin robotaxi launch was unreasonably bad. There were a couple viral incidents of undesirable behavior, though no collisions as far as I've heard, which is significantly better performance than one expects from…

You expect a group of less than twenty human drivers to have at least one collision per week?
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