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Post by troupo »

jama211 wrote: post #108
jwr wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs was no angel, but he did follow "build great things and profits will come" philosophy. Apple these days is run for profit: profits are clearly first, and good things might accidentally come as well as a side effect. That would be ok, because competition, except these days the moat is huge: it is very difficult for a new entrant to compete.

They did loads of tacky things back in the day, we’ve just forgotten about them.

Modern Apple can't even do tacky things.

Tacky things under Jobs were failed experiments. Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments or failed experiments.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

avhception wrote: post #53
andrewinardeer wrote: post #17

I'm sure at some marketing meeting at Google, a VP racing for pole posiiton has wanted to green-light the idea of putting advertisements in their Wallet app. With any luck this backlash against Apple is so significant that a red flag is waved so ferociously that Google will never blast an advertisement out to their Google Wallet users. As the article outlines, I am sure that due to the sheer number of people who use…

While Google may or may not refrain from putting ads in their wallet app due to this incident, the aggressive ways that they use to get me to use the wallet app have been off putting enough. Every now and then, there is a full-screen popup on my phone that wants to onboard me into the wallet app. The only options I have are "yes" or "later". Clearly a company that operates on the principle of "If the user doesn't wan…

I love these choices, yes or yes later.

They do the same on my windows computer, ever time I open edge and every time I open a new tab !

This is the kind of behavior I wouldn’t even tolerate in real life, they are really taking us for sheeps.

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Post by throwanem »

This year for the first time I started carrying an Android along with my iPhone. I've had Apple phones exclusively since I got my first smartphone in 2012, and before now never had a wandering eye. But the moves Apple has made lately make me realize it is time to make sure I'll have a ripcord to pull if I need one.

It's not so bad. I would rather have an appliance than a computer as my primary phone, of course. But if Apple is leaving the appliance market, then thank goodness at least I have the skills to use a pocket computer safely.

Most don't have such skills. None should be required to. That's why it's good there should be a company like Apple around, at least as Apple has been. If I need to advise my older relatives never to upgrade, and help them source and maintain older iPhones, I guess I can do that.

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Post by codedokode »

JimDabell wrote: post #54
drysart wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple makes its money by selling you hardware and services, not by selling advertising. Companies ultimately serve whoever they make their money from; and none of the other big tech players have a comprehensive business model where the end user is the customer instead of the product. And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actio…

> And because it has positioned itself as the single most prominent privacy-conscious champion in big tech through repeated actions over the course of many years. I just want to highlight this because Hacker News can be incredibly dismissive about this. Apple’s focus on privacy is a competitive advantage. Consumers value it, and Apple’s competitors have business models that undermine it. Even if you think Tim Cook is…

So if Apple really cares about privacy, their products send less telemetry than my Linux system, correct?

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Post by mbreese »

ctime wrote: post #79

I didn’t see any ads and nobody I know did. This may be a feature in ios26 (the next version in beta) that got leaked out to older versions? Ie a bug) Ios26 specifically enables promotions in wallet which is viewed as a feature that can be enabled/disabled

I saw the ad. iOS 18.5, in the Midwest, with notifications allowed for the Wallet app.

I didn’t find it too intrusive, but it was surprising. It’s probably not a road Apple wants to go further down.

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Post by jmsdnns »

bluedevilzn wrote: post #71
jmsdnns wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs hated ads. You're right that he never wouldve done what Apple is doing now. Cook needs to stop listening to investors, like Warren Buffett, because he's letting them wreck Apple's integrity for the sake of making a buck. Apple just isnt user focused like they used to be and it's crappy.

Jobs created iAd. He hated bad ads. Here’s him announcing and talking about ads in WWDC: https://youtu.be/eY3BZzzLaaM?si=Dttc5eJJ1B7Zf3sB

he was vocal about his opposition to intrusive ads in particular. he'd say "You’re either the customer or you’re the product." he believed users paid a premium for apple products and that they should not be subjected to compromises with advertising.

iAd was something that happened right at the end of his life because devs were putting ads in apple apps anyway and he wanted to control how that was done.

this is meant to add context to what bluedevilzn said, btw. it is not a refutation.

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Post by em500 »

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/)

  >  4.5.4  Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.

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Post by aqme28 »

em500 wrote: post #129

Apple Wallet is in the App store, and the F1 ad debacle directly violates App Store guidelines https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ ) > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly…

Interesting. I feel like this clause is violated very often by major apps:

> Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages.

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