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DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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> If DeepSeek said May It is pretty strange that DeepSeek didn't say May anywhere, that was also a Reuters report based on "three people familiar with the company".[1] DeepSeek itself did not respond and did not make any claims about the timeline, ever. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/d...
Welcome to most China news. Many "well-documented" China "facts" are in fact cases like this: the media taking rumors or straight up fabricating things for clicks, and then self-referencing (or different media referencing each other in a circle) to put up the guise of reliable news. This is why we need to be critical of journalists nowadays. No longer are they the Fourth Column, protecting society and democracy by pr…
The second (be critical of journalism as a field's accuracy) doesn't follow from the first (there are bad journalists).
Especially since the alternative is to live in a world without facts.
Which some people would probably love, but I prefer my reality to be constructed from objectivity rather than authority.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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>> It's about China being expansionist Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?
They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess. The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck
Okay so thanks very much. That's not really a citation that's an opinion?
To translate what you're saying. The Chinese are trying to establish the same kind of global trade collaboration that Europe and the US have done for the past hundred and x years? But the Chinese civilization is over 2000 years old, and they had a much larger global trade network back when the west was a pile of wooden shacks and feudal barbarism?
They're also building up a large army in in the same way that the US and Europe have with NATO? I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal?
It seems that the Chinese people themselves are enjoying a pretty good standard of living and quality of life? I've only been there two or three times, but I never saw the same kind of deprivation in China that I saw behind the Iron Curtain for instance.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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> when it comes to open weights (which seems more of a "world benefit" than closed APIs), then the US is lagging far behind. Llama (v4 notwithstanding) and Gemma (particularly v3) aren't my idea of lagging far behind...
> Llama (v4 notwithstanding) and Gemma (particularly v3) aren't my idea of lagging far behind... While neat and of course Llama kicked off a large part of the ecosystem, so credit where credit is due, both of those suffer from "open-but-not-quite" as they have large documents of "Acceptable Use" which outlines what you can and cannot do with the weights, while the Chinese counter-parts slap a FOSS-compatible license…
> both of those suffer from "open-but-not-quite" as they have large documents of "Acceptable Use" which outlines what you can and cannot do with the weights
Even worse, the "Acceptable Use" document is a separate web page, which can be updated at any time. Nothing prevents it from, for instance, being updated to say "company X is no longer allowed to use these weights".
The "FOSS-compatible" licenses for these Chinese and European models are self-contained and won't suddenly change under your feet. They also have no "field of use" restrictions and, by virtue of actually being traditional FOSS licenses being applied to slightly unusual artifacts (they were originally meant for source code, not huge blobs of numeric data), are already well-known and therefore have a lower risk of unusual gotchas.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> It's about China being expansionist Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?
They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess. The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck
It's a bit rich to attribute goals of world domination to buying into businesses all over the world and building a very large army.
By those metrics, the rest of the world should have been terrified by the US for the last 60 years...
Those are necessary precursors to aggressive expansionism, but insufficient without political will.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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> against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala
Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.
Communism is good. By "protecting" them from communism, you doomed them to the horrors of capitalism.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess. The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck
Okay so thanks very much. That's not really a citation that's an opinion? To translate what you're saying. The Chinese are trying to establish the same kind of global trade collaboration that Europe and the US have done for the past hundred and x years? But the Chinese civilization is over 2000 years old, and they had a much larger global trade network back when the west was a pile of wooden shacks and feudal barbari…
> I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal?
It's certainly corrupt. Xi didn't launch major, disruptive anti-corruption drives for no reason, but because he saw it as an existential threat to the CCP's legitimacy (after all, it did torpedo the Soviet Union).
Granted, an alternate rationale was internecine power struggles within the party and removing political enemies, but there was some real corruption.
The strongman argument against the CCP's moral compass is that it has no concept of or respect for individual rights: the party is above all.
Historically, this has always ended tragically because eventually it will be abused to either justify suffering or party gain at the expense of people.
Authoritarianism only works until someone bad grabs the reigns, and single-party non-democratic systems have a way of rewarding sociopaths.
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Is rampant IP theft and corporate espionage considered fair in your book?
Whose rampant IP theft are you referring to?
Hollywood from Edison...
> Thomas Edison's aggressive patent enforcement in the early days of filmmaking, particularly his control over motion picture technology, played a significant role in the development of Hollywood as the center of the film industry. Driven by a desire to control the market and eliminate competition, Edison's lawsuits and business practices pushed independent filmmakers westward, ultimately leading them to establish studios in Los Angeles, away from Edison's legal reach.
Re: DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress
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Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly
What exactly does fairly look like to you? Uyghurs in camps, suicide nets strung around factories? Like, even if you just want to talk about protectionism, China is way worse than the US pre-Trump. "Fairly" has nothing to do with foreign policy.
I recall kids in cages back before trump was around. The US doesn't exactly have a clean track record when it comes to human rights and international law yet they are quick to point the finger at anyone else when they cross the line.
[1] https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/president-obama-want...