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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by marcinzm »

tuyguntn wrote: post #100
marcinzm wrote: post #50

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This has little to do with a single country and more with the fact that if someone is willing to fight for anything other than the current administration then one day they might fight against the current administration directly. Same reason Stalin sent those who fought in the Warsaw Uprising against the Germans to Siberia. Today it's the Germans, tomorrow it may be the Soviets.

> "if someone is willing to fight for anything other than the current administration then one day they might fight against the current administration directly." So what? isn't the core idea in democracy "ruled by the people", Why can't you fight against the current administration with your opinion and opposition to their ideas?

Yes. I think you missed the point of my comment.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by goranmoomin »

pkkkzip wrote: post #109
neom wrote: post #59

It's not just students btw... we're dealing it this too. My wife is a Korean university professor teaching at an American university, and her visa needs to be renewed by next month. I'm Canadian and she has residency in Canada but the Korean embassy in Canada advised her to travel back to Korea to renew it. She got back to Korea end of May to find that the US embassy in Korea had paused appointments. Monday last week…

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This is a blatantly false comment. For the sake of other viewers on HN that is not familiar with Korean politics, this is totally fake (and is probably pushing the views of the Korean alt-right).

United States sharply criticized Yoon after his unconstitutional martial law declaration, publishing pretty strong remarks that it was illegimate[0]. They have consistently spoke (in diplomatic language) that they do not support Yoon until he was impeached.

Impeaching Yoon was supported by 75% of the country [1] and anti-Yoon protests were not seen as anti-US nor pro-China at all.

The newly elected president, Lee Jae Myung, is not seen as anti-US nor pro-China in Korea (he does have a less anti-China stance than his predecessor), and any claims of election fraud claim is baseless[2] and without evidence.

The few paragraphs on telegram groups are groups that are run by the alt-right that send reports of anti-Yoon social influencers to the CIA, arguing that they were anti-US and communists[3] (yes, the red fear and the cold war is still a thing in South Korea, thanks to the North Korean regime, no, we do not recognize North Korea as a sovereign state)

Yes people are affected due to the new visa process, PhD students big among the affected, but no, big businesses are not being blocked sending their workers to the US. Samsung is not struggling getting visas.

This is a totally baseless fake news. Please don’t let this information spread. Thanks.

[0]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-south-koreas-yoon-badl...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Yoon_Suk_Yeol#O...

[2]: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36RG6PF

[3]: https://koreaherald.com/article/10019148

———— Not trying to shoot the messenger, but the user has a history of getting flagged with far-right racial comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44405917, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44203934, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44203849

They also got flagged previously by arguing the sentiment of the Korean alt-right: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43431867

And also say that they submit AI-generated comments as well: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=pkkkzip

I would not trust this person’s comments.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by pkkkzip »

goranmoomin wrote: post #122
pkkkzip wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is a blatantly false comment. For the sake of other viewers on HN that is not familiar with Korean politics, this is totally fake (and is probably pushing the views of the Korean alt-right). United States sharply criticized Yoon after his unconstitutional martial law declaration, publishing pretty strong remarks that it was illegimate[0]. They have consistently spoke (in diplomatic language) that they do not sup…

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by goranmoomin »

pkkkzip wrote: post #123
goranmoomin wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a blatantly false comment. For the sake of other viewers on HN that is not familiar with Korean politics, this is totally fake (and is probably pushing the views of the Korean alt-right). United States sharply criticized Yoon after his unconstitutional martial law declaration, publishing pretty strong remarks that it was illegimate[0]. They have consistently spoke (in diplomatic language) that they do not sup…

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Just for people who are reading this and leading to believe that this might be true, the link that this user is providing[0] is produced by a group called KCPAC[1], a blatantly Korean alt-right group.

Rebutting fake news takes so much more time than spreading them.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/live/p508Q66_zCU

[1]: https://www.cpackorea.com/

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by neom »

goranmoomin wrote: post #122
pkkkzip wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is a blatantly false comment. For the sake of other viewers on HN that is not familiar with Korean politics, this is totally fake (and is probably pushing the views of the Korean alt-right). United States sharply criticized Yoon after his unconstitutional martial law declaration, publishing pretty strong remarks that it was illegimate[0]. They have consistently spoke (in diplomatic language) that they do not sup…

For future HN readers, I did not engage with that comment because I also believed it to be either fake/astroturfing or otherwise, the messages weaved throughout it are...not cogent.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by yongjik »

pkkkzip wrote: post #109
neom wrote: post #59

It's not just students btw... we're dealing it this too. My wife is a Korean university professor teaching at an American university, and her visa needs to be renewed by next month. I'm Canadian and she has residency in Canada but the Korean embassy in Canada advised her to travel back to Korea to renew it. She got back to Korea end of May to find that the US embassy in Korea had paused appointments. Monday last week…

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WTF, Yoonies? In my HN?

For anyone who wants a quick recap: South Korea's previous president Yoon had a brain fart and declared martial law last December, citing (among other things) a baseless conspiracy theory that said Chinese agents infiltrated Korean voting system to make the liberal Democratic Party win the previous legislative election.

Thankfully, the lawmakers literally jumped the wall to gather and declare the martial law void, so it was overthrown in hours, and long story short, the constitutional court universally agreed that Yoon committed treason, he was kicked out, we had an election, and (to no one's surprise) we got a new president from the Democratic Party, president Lee Jae-Myung.

There are still a handful of idiots who believe in Yoon's baseless election conspiracy theories. Last time I heard, they were reporting politicians, actors, singers, or basically everyone who came out against the martial law to CIA, for the crime of aiding China.

For some inexplicable reason, CIA isn't launching an immediate intervention to restore Yoon in power. I wonder why.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by jlebar »

15155 wrote: post #44
jlebar wrote: post #38

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Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

We're talking about foreigners: if you are a guest in someone's country, home, wherever, you should be respectful and quiet. I don't want any foreigners contributing to any political activism whatsoever, regardless of ideology.

Okay but that's not what this is about. This is saying that a foreigner cannot express private thoughts online at any point before they enter the United States.

I assume someone who goes by "15155" would believe that having private conversations online can be useful. Or do you want to post your identifying information?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by ivape »

15155 wrote: post #71
mandmandam wrote: post #70

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> I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it. > Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though? > I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypothetica…

> Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it. Guess what? You don't have a universal human right to a visa, even if you do have a right to free speech. > What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder I'm not a visa holder. I wouldn't expect to be able to go to China and espouse anti-CCP rhetoric, either. > refusal to acknowledge the UDHR Visas aren't a human right, try again.

”I'm not a visa holder. I wouldn't expect to be able to go to China and espouse anti-CCP rhetoric, either.”

You don’t expect to do those things in China because it’s an authoritarian government that doesn’t care about human rights A-Z (all the way from basic labor rights over to internment reeducation camps).

So the question is why are you applying a standard we have for China, which is just slightly above what we expect from North Korea, unto to America?

We are not the country that does shit like what you are describing. This is a temporary dark spot on American history, and you are absolutely on the wrong side of things. All of this joins the embarrassing catalog of American darkness - Japanese internment camps, Chinese exclusion act, segregation, list goes on.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by pkkkzip »

neom wrote: post #125
goranmoomin wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a blatantly false comment. For the sake of other viewers on HN that is not familiar with Korean politics, this is totally fake (and is probably pushing the views of the Korean alt-right). United States sharply criticized Yoon after his unconstitutional martial law declaration, publishing pretty strong remarks that it was illegimate[0]. They have consistently spoke (in diplomatic language) that they do not sup…

For future HN readers, I did not engage with that comment because I also believed it to be either fake/astroturfing or otherwise, the messages weaved throughout it are...not cogent.

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mandmandam »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #107
mandmandam wrote: post #57

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> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

> a universal human right This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)

... That's not remotely true. Hypocrisy on the issue of human rights doesn't negate their existence in frameworks or as ideals that have motivated real progress. And, ignorance of human rights work outside of Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Finally, Europe doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to human rights hypocrisy either, even if they're some of the best of a bad lot.
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