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Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by makeitdouble »

eviks wrote: post #45
makeitdouble wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be seeing it in the same lens as macos for instance, but windows' model is fundamentaly different and that deadline is only for specific cases (that's why they can play the "sign up for backup and we'll expand your time" game) For instance Enterprise LTSC version of Windows 10 is officially supported until 2031. A ton of the devices inside these 53% have no need to move away from win 10 in any urgent way.

I'm seeing it in the lens of the stated goal mentioned in the article "Microsoft is still sticking to its guns in promoting Windows 11 upgrades"

Thanks. To that point, they still have years to reach that goal, we'll see in a decade if they utterly failed.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by makeitdouble »

coolspot wrote: post #78
makeitdouble wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be seeing it in the same lens as macos for instance, but windows' model is fundamentaly different and that deadline is only for specific cases (that's why they can play the "sign up for backup and we'll expand your time" game) For instance Enterprise LTSC version of Windows 10 is officially supported until 2031. A ton of the devices inside these 53% have no need to move away from win 10 in any urgent way.

I am running Enterprise LTSC version of Windows 10 in a VM for .NET development and it started to show full-screen popups saying that “it’s time to upgrade” to win11 with some text suggesting that it is urgent and time is running out.

That's such a Microsoft move. Corporate users under managed machines will never see that popup so it won't be an issue, so it's mainly heckling the users that probably installed Windows themselves or have a direct access to the someone who can perform the update.

On OS updates I'm willing to give them a pass, but that kind of split and "foot in the door" pushiness is so typical.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by vel0city »

gpm wrote: post #81
vel0city wrote: post #66

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A Microsoft employee tasked with teaching devs how to write LiveTiles.

I.e. an official Microsoft representative, again, in front of the press, said it. It was repeated ad nauseam by the press and they made no attempt to correct it - in fact they went around getting the press to say similar things like "Once your device is upgraded to Windows 10, it will continue to be supported for the lifetime of the device at no cost". That's an official binding statement on the company if I ever did…

> in front of the press

No. He was in front of a crowd of developers in a developer training seminar and trying to overhype the buy in of live tiles to suggest they wouldn't be deprecated.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by vel0city »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #76
vel0city wrote: post #68

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They made the announcement from one guy saying it once when giving a talk on developing LiveTiles.

I previously worked at MS so asked friends about it and they agreed that there was an attempt to foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally. If that impression gets out and is not countered then it’s a tacit acceptance. MS burns people all the time so we figured it would be another example of that. Just this time it’s more regular people and not just devs and partners. Some people inter…

> foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally

Which is a real product they really do sell so yeah that makes sense.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by vel0city »

dspillett wrote: post #98
vel0city wrote: post #65

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They've been using webview components since 1997.

Slapping a webview component into a native app is a lot less heavy than a full election app. A lot heavier than not at all, of course, and webview felt heavy handed back then like election for OS components feels now, I feel a lesson has not been learned…

Either way they're shipping an entire browser stack, and back in 1997 it was even heavier in comparison to available compute. But rose colored glasses two US to ignore that.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by Mawr »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #33
KronisLV wrote: post #13

I have to say that after switching to Windows 11, I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. I'm still a bit upset that they took away vertical taskbars from us, but some things like multi-GPU support is better than in Windows 10: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/what-is-ruining-dual-gpu-setups On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about the…

Not sure man, I just want a version of Microsoft Windows without all the telemetry and the ads and the aggressive control Microsoft has on the system via updates. Time and again they keep changing the default browser, throwing ads into Start Menu, blocking specific applications (such as Chrome etc. Bad example because Chrome is an evil junkyard. Imagine them blocking Google Drive one day because they want you to use…

https://ameliorated.io/ ;)

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by keyringlight »

stalfosknight wrote: post #115
ryanjshaw wrote: post #105

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Spent about 12mo on Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint) and there were just too many issues. Ubuntu had weird quirks that almost always turned out to be related to my using a snap package. Of course I wasted countless hours getting to the point where I realised that was the issue. Mint stopped booting once for unknown reasons on modern hardware and I had to reinstall. Another time I wasted half my day trying to get my whate…

And yet, the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is perpetually coming/here.

The impression I have is that YotLD windows migration evangelism is honest so long as you don't go off the beaten track, but as soon as you do it gets hairy quick and that's where I find some of the evangelists dishonest by omission. It's fine if you just use a browser, or software as provided by a repository, or your steam games work and you don't need/want to mod/tinker with them. Otherwise you might be dropping someone recently transplanted into unfamiliar territory and they haven't build up a new knowledge base yet.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by hollandheese »

leptons wrote: post #85
Xelbair wrote: post #43

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anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

The "bad copy of your competition" is probably in relation to the Windows 11 program launcher that resembles the centered design of the MacOS launcher. But that can be easily removed using tools like Explorer Patcher and Open Shell. https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu The thing that made me switch to Linux is Microsoft's pushing AI into everything. I do not want th…

There's literally options in taskbar settings to change that. You don't need another program.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by keyringlight »

Yeul wrote: post #102
stego-tech wrote: post #82

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Adding another datapoint: We're down to just three Windows boxes (four if you count the Xbox Series X) in our household, and are likely to winnow that down further following the resounding success of a Linux gaming box on old Sandy Bridge CPU + GTX 970 GPU + HDD. The eldest gamer in the household is so sick of Microsoft's nonsense that the only reason they're not fully on Linux already is because their production box…

The desktop computer is dying. The only reason why I still have one is because I play videogames. Serious stuff is done on my phone. If we want to talk about disaster it's that Microsoft lost the smartphone battle. The real future of computing.

The phone/tablet as most common 'personal computer' is what I see that will be a constant bleed on the audience for the desktop PC. At least for the home audience the price trends over the past decade seems like a big deterrence, and the old model of having a desktop for home use and an enthusiast upgrading/modernizing it involves more. I do a fair amount of gaming on my 8-9 year old PC, and it's hard to justify an upgrade (which at this point is a whole new build) for more recent games versus getting a PS5 for 400 bucks or so (or a used one for 200-300) which is less than a reasonably capable/modern GPU by itself.

I guess my concern is where are the gradual on-ramps for getting people into that desktop PC (windows or otherwise) environment so they can explore and discover what it enables for them? There's no trouble if you already know you're an enthusiast, you can make an informed decision if the bill of parts is worth it, and I don't see professional-workstations going away as a tool.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Post by hollandheese »

hhh wrote: post #101
ManlyBread wrote: post #35

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They make it close to impossible to install windows without making an account, you either need to mess around in the registry or run some weird Powershell commands in order to skip the account creation step. They do this because they know a non-technical person will just create an account instead. It's fucking bullshit and it is 100% intentional.

this is not true, you can just create a local account with Windows 11 Pro and not use the online stuff at all.

No, you can't. Not with any of the Consumer versions. You have to do the workarounds to not have your initial account be an online account.
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