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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by jeroenhd »

ReptileMan wrote: post #50

Here is a fun quiz - what you think are the best features windows obtained after 7 (and 7 main feature was - is not Vista)? Windows store/apps are terrible, the online integration in the start menu is a torment. Cortana/copilot are useless at best. File search is absurdly slow - to the point where the almost abandonware Everything kicks MS ass. So we are left with only WSL.

My quick list:

- Multiple virtual desktops (usably built into the UI)

- Screen recording

- HDR support

- Much better antivirus built in

- Hyper-V support

- Much faster search (faster, not necessarily fast)

- Much better codec/preview support for the built-in media player

- Much better touch screen support

- Real fingerprint support instead of the pluggable API that no vendor actually implemented right

- Windows Hello infrared facial recognition

- DirectX 12

- Docked windows, in multiple arrangements, without janky third party software

- Multitouch gesture support

- Native DNS over HTTPS

- WSL2, especially gWSL, the Wayland compositor used to display Linux GUI applications

- Forcing companies to move their shitty unstable drivers to userland instead of crashing the kernel every time you turn on a printer.

- WPA3, better hotspot support, etc.

- Native phone integration

- A notification system that isn't applications drawing boxes all over your screen

- winget

- Windows Terminal and the various advancements in PowerShell

I don't like the remnants of Windows 8's UI but there were definitely useful features in Windows 10+.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by pathartl »

Dwedit wrote: post #110

Linux has no viable solution for developing Windows Forms applications in C# with debugging and Edit-and-continue support. There's Visual Studio running in a VM, and that's it.

Why are you still writing stuff with win forms?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by jeroenhd »

delusional wrote: post #44

What was the point in inventing the universal Turing machine if we then just arbitrarily gate it again? Computers were supposed to be different.

There is no gate. There is only a lack of other people willing to maintain software for you for free.

Install ChromeOS Flex or NetBSD or whatever on your Turing machine if you're so inclined.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by jeroenhd »

sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

> It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it

I don't get the hatred. It's very useful in countries where keeping the engine running at a red light or at a railway crossing is illegal. It also saves a ton of gas and emissions.

SteamOS will probably work if you're on an all-AMD machine (maybe not the latest GPU revisions because of driver lag), but SteamOS-likes like Bazzite will work fine on a lot of commodity hardware. I'd recommend trying the KDE flavour to get the most SteamOS-like experience, unless you prefer Gnome over KDE (like I do personally but tastes differ).

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by Lammy »

jml7c5 wrote: post #102
Lammy wrote: post #31

I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom) > Note:…

I have a workstation board from around the same time. The issue is probably that Haswell/Broadwell-era processors are no longer supported. (For Intel CPUs, Windows 11 requires 8th generation (Coffee Lake) and higher.)

Not Windows 11; the last five feature updates to Windows 10, versions v2004, 20H2, 21H1, 21H2, and 22H2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history#Ver...

“Luckily” I already had a physical Windows 2019 Server on my LAN, had Windows 10 Enterprise on all my clients, and had my own Active Domain set up, because that was the only official way to configure it to spy on me less†, so it was easy enough to create an additional Group Policy pinning `ProductVersion` to `Windows 10` and `TargetReleaseVersion` to `1909`‡ and WMI-filtering it to my Haswell Xeon machine so it would stop nagging me: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/...

† I'm still not optimistic enough to say “configure it to not spy on me” lol

‡ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cznpPMomJXw

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by jeroenhd »

Xiol32 wrote: post #36
sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

You don't need SteamOS. Just install Steam on any distribution (I use Fedora) and it all just works like SteamOS - Proton use is transparent.

For me, for gaming, the full-screen console-like experience is part of the appeal. SteamOS has full-screen Steam, but it doesn't boot into it. Plus, Gamescope has some nice performance measuring/management tricks that regular Steam doesn't provide.

If you just want Steam on an OS then installing Steam will do fine, but it's no "real" SteamOS experience.

Another part of the appeal is how stable the updates are thanks to update mechanism (and locking users out of the system config by default so they can't break their Linux installs with outdated scripts from askubuntu.com).

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by aflag »

estebank wrote: post #14
v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

I also agree that the machine doesn't go off on a puff of smoke the second the OS is no longer supported, but having an Internet connected device with an unsupported OS is not tenable. There are options , like of course running Linux instead for as long as distros support your hardware, but even then you're only buying time. At some point the avalanche of "progress" will cause software to rely on things your hardware…

Also, software stops working. Steam dropped support for windows 7 now.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by frollogaston »

endemic wrote: post #85
frollogaston wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. They're tiny. I've never actually thrown one away, they're just sitting around, taking less combined space than a nightstand drawer.

> I'm still not convinced that phone and laptop ewaste is a real problem. I don't throw away phones or computers myself either, but a cursory Googling should be informative. From what I understand, it's a lot of "out of sight, out of mind" in wealthy countries.

Supposedly an average American throws away 1800lb per year, 46lb of which is ewaste, but that includes TVs and such. I can get upset about TV ewaste because those "smart" features are self-destructing otherwise good ones, and they're big. I had a new 70" Vizio TV get stuck in a permanent bootloop after 2.5 years.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by aflag »

oneZergArmy wrote: post #26

I'd love it if manufacturers would unlock the BIOS of business-grade laptops when Windows 10 ends, but I don't have any hope. Two of my laptops will just.. die, as I can't install Linux on them.

You can already bypass microsoft's checks and install windows on unsupported hardware.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by msgodel »

riobard wrote: post #109
msgodel wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this a problem exactly? Pick the OS who's leadership/choices you like and run it. No one has to agree on most of the low level stuff as that's abstracted away or even part of the kernel where there's few changes between distros.

That mentality gets us fragmentation of Linux DE for the past few decades with none winning majority mindshare and no commitment from major commercial developers. Sure with a capable browser most use cases can be covered but then there will not be a Year of Linux DE. It would be a Year of Chromium-based Browsers where DE is mostly irrelevant. Those abstracted away details matter a lot if you care about user experienc…

Who cares? Run the DE you like. I don't want to be forced to run the one you like since, quite frankly, being someone new to this you're going to have awful opinions about how it should work.

If you sat down in front of my computer you probably wouldn't even know how to move the windows around.

And that's fine. We don't need to be running the same software as long as everything actually works.

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