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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

fakedang wrote: post #97
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience "drug-related" can definitely include serious violent crimes (some that can result in execution, or life without parole). Through my extracurricular work, I personally know a lot of drug offenders, and breaking their spouse's arm easily fits. I also know women that have drained their husband's retirement, people that have snorted their kids' college funds, mothers that have pimped their kids, and oth…

https://secondchancebusinesscoalition.org/ Lists other companies which are part of the coalition.

Thanks!

Some surprise me, others, don't.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

brettermeier wrote: post #91
UncleEntity wrote: post #31

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/me putting on my Law & Order hat Why should the taxpayers be burdened by the results of his bad decisions? /me takes off hat

Because that's what a social community would do. But where you probably are, such an approach is falsely labeled as “communism” by MAGA anti-social assholes.

false labeling- Your lack of introspection is wild lol

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by Hamuko »

qualeed wrote: post #46
abxyz wrote: post #39

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> ...in America he's innocent until proven guilty... ...in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

>Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty

There's no scenario here where this guy is innocent. The distinction here is whether he's a wife-beating drug dealer or just a drug dealer. There's some evidence to suggest the former but not really enough that you can definitely state it.

Personally, I'd give a convicted drug dealer less benefit of the doubt than the average person.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by blks »

laufey wrote: post #11
chatmasta wrote: post #6

How does the compensation work? The US prison system has a bit of a nasty reputation when it comes to exploiting prison labor, so I hope those practices aren’t carrying over into these more forward-looking types of initiative… but at the same time, surely Turso isn’t paying full SWE salary?

Just curious, why would you expect him to be paid less? I know historically pay is bad for prisoners, but if he's working the same hours and is just as productive as any other employee, shouldn't he be paid the same? I could potentially see paying someone less if they were coming in with much less experience than what's usually hired for in the role, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Because US constitution forbids slavery except as a punishment. A lot of prisoners doing labour right now are compensated literally pennies.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by robinhood »

I’m so glad this is possible. Kudos to Turso for giving this man a new chance. We often criticize people for past bad behavior, but in many cases (not all, of course), they deserve a second chance in life, since most of us can change.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by tomrod »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #117
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

This sounds good. It is important that we recognize all of the purposes of punishment instead of overemphasizing one or neglecting the other. Punishment has three ends: retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. It is important that you pay for your crime for the sake of justice; it is charitable and prudent to rehabilitate the criminal, satisfying the corrective end of punishment; and would-be criminals must be gi…

Rehabilitation is retribution.

So many things can never have full repatriation. The best we can do is have society acknowledge, forcefully, the wrongs done via prison sentencing.

But then many countries go wrong on policy - punitive imprisonment leads to worse individual and social outcomes than a rehabilitation focus.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by msgodel »

b0a04gl wrote: post #50

what if prison ends up becoming the most distraction-free dev environment. no meetings, no slack pings, no linkedin recruiters, just you, a terminal, and 10 years of uninterrupted focus. kinda terrifying how productive that sounds

If you're not dating anyway and don't own your house outright prison with computer access honestly doesn't sound bad at all.

No need to worry about rent, no need to worry about healthcare, no need deal with all this social crap.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by gruez »

komali2 wrote: post #44
laufey wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, why would you expect him to be paid less? I know historically pay is bad for prisoners, but if he's working the same hours and is just as productive as any other employee, shouldn't he be paid the same? I could potentially see paying someone less if they were coming in with much less experience than what's usually hired for in the role, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

> but if he's working the same hours and is just as productive as any other employee, shouldn't he be paid the same? He should, but the median salary of engineers in Taiwan is like, 40,000 USD, vs SF which is 160,000 USD. Or London, if one wants to argue something about English language ability or whatever, is 80,000 USD. Literally half that of SF. Salaries aren't determined by labor value, they're determined by how…

>Salaries aren't determined by labor value,

In a free market, very little is determined by its "value". Clean drinking water costs pennies, but its value is far higher. People in developing countries routinely spend hours a day getting clean water, which works out to a price far higher than even bottled water from for-profit companies.

>they're determined by how well employers can collude in a region to get the lowest possible rate while still being able to hire people. Thus they somewhat tend to correlate with cost of living, but not really, e.g. see London vs SF vs NYC.

Is there any evidence there's more collusion happening in London?

>employers will pay as little as they can get away with.

You're making it sound like this is some sort of profound insight, or that companies are being extra dishonorable by doing this, but literally everyone in an economy is trying to pay "pay as little as they can get away with". When was the last time you tipped a gas station?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by bastawhiz »

awongh wrote: post #76
eddieroger wrote: post #23

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From your link: > The defendant, Preston Thorpe, appeals his conviction for possession of a controlled drug with intent to sell He may have done other things, but his conviction was for possession with intent, and that seems to be why he's locked up. It doesn't make anything else he's done acceptable, but in America he's innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't seem he was found guilty of assault.

I feel ok that there's a distinction between legal rulings and other circumstances of the case that I as an internet person can use my judgement to understand. Just because someone is guilty or not doesn't separate other facts of the case. In an extreme example: I'm ok with the court letting someone off who murdered someone, because the police didn't follow proper procedure wrt evidence/confessions/witness testimony.…

There was no crime reported by the girlfriend. The allegation of abuse was made by the girlfriend's mother, who was not present. As far as I can tell, there were no charges of assault or battery, even after the police interviewed the girlfriend for their report. There's really no basis for forming any kind of judgement here, legal or otherwise.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ty6853 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #117
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

This sounds good. It is important that we recognize all of the purposes of punishment instead of overemphasizing one or neglecting the other. Punishment has three ends: retribution, rehabilitation, and deterrence. It is important that you pay for your crime for the sake of justice; it is charitable and prudent to rehabilitate the criminal, satisfying the corrective end of punishment; and would-be criminals must be gi…

One of the most baffling elements of the justice system is how little the victim is involved in the justice. 'Society' should not lord the lion's share of the justice decisions over the victims. Quite often the victim would prefer compensation and release over getting fuck all while the perpetrator languages in prison at the tax dollar of the victim.

Much of 'justice' has been usurped from the victim into a jobs campaign for the state.

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