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Social anxiety disorder-associated gut microbiota increases social fear

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pogue wrote: post #70
vslira wrote: post #21

I’m writing the following in jest, before anyone takes this seriously, as I assume this kind of correlation has been accounted for. Maybe the causation is reversed: people who go out more are more frequently infected with all kinds of bugs, from getting too intimate with strangers to eating stuff that was prepared by someone not too assiduous in their hand washing - a sibling reply mentioning fecal microbiota transpl…

It's an interesting theory! Maybe find some extroverts and share meals with them & do some consensual saliva exchange with them and pick up their healthy bacteria! :)

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

kayamon wrote: post #117
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #99

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What makes gluten a negative food? (outside of being coeliac)

Nothing specific, simply your own stomach. Every human is different. Some people can eat spicy foods, some people can't. Best strategy is to learn for yourself what make you happy when you wake up and what makes you feel bad. Listen to your own body, make changes.

Thanks for clarifying. I agree with your answer. Do what works for you!

Since the advent of "gluten free" foods, specifically for coeliacs, the fact foods get advertised as "X free" leads a percentage of the population to believe that X is therefore bad and should be avoided for as-a-general-rule health reasons rather than health reasons limited to those who get complications as a result of X.

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Post by notfed »

jadamson wrote: post #6
ngruhn wrote: post #4

This is gonna go viral as: just eat more yogurt to stop being awkward or whatever.

Yoghurts probably won't help, but Fecal Microbiota Transplantation might. A team at the University of Calgary is currently recruiting participants with Major Depressive Disorder and Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder: https://research.ucalgary.ca/participate/clinical-trial-eval... https://research.ucalgary.ca/participate/focused-study-fmt-o...

Eat more poop?

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Post by vanderZwan »

reliablereason wrote: post #67
Tarsul wrote: post #65

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I am talking about the sugar in sweets. My daily apple does not appear to heighten my anxiety.

I have heard people say that eating fibers together with fructose(like when eating a apple) reduces the impact of fructose, as fibers create a lining on the gut wall reducing the absorption rate. Sounds reasonable. But i have had a hard time finding evidence verifying that hypotesis.

I think you have to look for "glycemic index" and learn about its mechanisms, which in your defense is not an obvious term to search for.

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Post by rpozarickij »

kilroy123 wrote: post #32
pogue wrote: post #19

I've seen probiotic supplements that have strains that claim to help with anxiety and depression, but I've never really looked into them because I'm quite skeptical they do anything. But if anyone is familiar with them and has any feedback I'd be interested to hear it.

I've had a LOT of gut problems in my life. I have a physically broken stomach, have had to have stomach surgery in the past, and probably will have to do it again soon. Most probiotics I've taken did nothing. The only ones that seem to actually work for me are these: https://drohhiraprobiotics.com/ Not sure why it works, but anecdotally, they do. Other things that have helped significantly – cutting out alcohol.

One doctor recommended this brand to me too not long ago, but I'm a bit worried that this probiotic contains histamine-producing bacteria since I have some histamine sensitivity.

And overall I'm a bit hesitant about consuming too many strains at once.

So far I've been having success with S. boulardii CNCM I-745 (which is actually a probiotic yeast) and I'm trying out L. rhamnosus GG.

Bifidobacterium infantis 35624 also looks interesting.

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Post by asdff »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #73
asdff wrote: post #38

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You have a back door as well for the gut that tends to open at least once a day. We know fecal matter is in the air in most bathrooms. It wouldn't surprise me if you got an infusion of community fecal biome right into your anus every time you used a restroom that isn't your own.

Yes but usually when the back door opens things are exiting the gut rather then going in. So I don’t think that counts. There are cases where things do enter the back door but I think that’s just humans getting creative and it wasn’t designed for entry.

Its not like there is positive air flow keeping any microbes in the air out and away. If something lands on there it can probably colonize then spread to the inside slipping through the sphincter.

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Post by 698969 »

jvm___ wrote: post #10
ninetyninenine wrote: post #9

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The experiment looked to be the other way around. If you introduced new microbiota from patients with SAD this caused SAD in mice. So introducing new microbiota won’t solve the problem. The theory that needs to be tested is that we know microbiota can switch SAD on, but does removal of said microbiota turn it off? It needs to be an antibiotic cleansing. It can even be DIY. People can try this on themselves. I think t…

Do we get gut bacteria from the people around us? Where does a newborn get their gut bacteria from?

Heh, if so, I wonder if there is a correlation between social anxiety and babies who relied on formula instead of breastfeeding.

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Post by Noelia- »

I’ve dealt with social anxiety myself and always thought it was just part of my personality. This study really surprised me. Transplanting gut microbiota from SAD patients made mice more socially anxious too.

If future treatments can target the gut instead of relying only on willpower or medication, that might be a gentler and more effective path.

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Post by amelius »

jjk166 wrote: post #105
amelius wrote: post #18

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Beneficial for the group, not the individual, I suppose.

How is it not beneficial for the individual to avoid threats to their health and safety?

I mean the individual who is sick is now sent into a downward spiral of anxiety and frustration instead of evolution helping them (e.g. by making others take care of them, etc.)
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