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Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by mbesto »

echelon wrote: post #120
dylan604 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RIAA hating digital and finally caving on distribution is totally different than all of the artists getting replaced by genAI. It's just not the same no matter how much you keep trying to push that square peg into a round hole.

We're talking about orthogonal things again. IP vs distribution vs the means of production. I'm happy to discuss all of these things, but let's stop flip flopping around. When the means of production are easier, that changes the supply and demand curves. There's more supply and lower cost, but that opens the gates to larger and new work that hasn't been possible before. We're entering an era where ONE PERSON can make…

> When the means of production are easier, that changes the supply and demand curves. There's more supply and lower cost, but that opens the gates to larger and new work that hasn't been possible before.

Your correct, but you're conflating the "source and generation of music" with the digitization of distribution specifically to the RIAA's role. From your original point:

> > Where do you think these models will get the source data for these amazing generations? Doesn't matter one bit, just like mp3 and torrents didn't stop digital music.

I'm saying the two (production and distribution) aren't equivalent for the parties involved. The RIAA faced an existential criss with digitization because their purpose (license and distribute music) would cease to exist under mp3/torrents. The RIAA does NOT represent the artist and the threat here is about the artist. In fact, the RIAA would LOVE to do away with artists and find a cheaper means of production if the could...it means higher profit margin for them.

The OP's point was that the new wave of art has to originate from somewhere. The distribution partners don't care how it gets produced, they just want to own the distribution. The artists are now in a existential crisis, not the RIAA. The RIAA at least had a migration story; e.g. from physically printing vinyl, providing capital for music studios, etc. to becoming glorified lawyers and promoters in the supply chain. The artists do not. Hence, the parallel is inappropriate and doesn't capture the essence of the predicament, which is artists are in existential crisis with no clear migration path.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by BizarroLand »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #117
BizarroLand wrote: post #36

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There's a cliff though. It will happen for different people at different times, but at some point the realization that you are looking at people who don't exist living lives that aren't possible to sell you products that won't help you will click for you, and when it does it will cut you off from society in a way we don't currently have words for.

Are you sure about that? In the Matrix Cypher wants to return into the matrix knowing fully well that it is fake, and backstabs his friends to accomplish it. I suspect we may see it play out similarly irl. Fiction tends to be pretty good at commenting on human nature.

There's a trope of humans who don't fit in to the world.

My comment is more that more and more people will find themselves as that person unexpectedly as they are driven out by the popularity of people that do not exist.

Sure, some people may love the idea of being the only real person in a sea of fakes, but those people are true freaks and not worth discussing except out of pity.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LonersAreFreaks

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by saurik »

yoz-y wrote: post #109
azinman2 wrote: post #79

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Because few are great storytellers, people like celebrities, and having a shared cultural reference point. Even TikTok's main fuel are likes and shares. Isolated material will just cease to be interesting, because it's from your own imagination.

There is a (dystopian) world where AI is so good at making movies or series so well tailored to a person so cheaply that there will be no more shared culture. It’s reaching, of course, but imo the best shows are those that have small, dedicated, fanbase. If it’s small it means that the show has enough personality to drive other people away. And that’s fine. Popular stuff is popular mainly because of lack of controver…

On the one hand you say it's dystopian, but you also seem to be celebrating it? ;P Maybe a show with a fanbase of 1 is in fact the best show in the entire world ;P. Regardless: I don't think you end up with no shared culture at all, because if something happens to me that normally would only happen to just me I still tell my friends about it, and maybe they want to experience the same unique thing I saw, and the same will be (and already is, fwiw) true of AI generated slop.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by citizenpaul »

Am i the only one that finds these and all AI video rather underwhelming and more importantly subjectivly not that good? Sure the image quality is nice but nothing about them ever stick with me like countless small projects people make. I just see them and think, thats cool then forget about it forever.

It seems to me they all have subtle "badness" that makes them essentially useless. Quick example on this is the video of "guy sitting on the subway chair" has people passing in front of him even as the camera is about an inch from his face. Unless you are half asleep it is disconnecting in a way that my brain background processing says this is nonsense and I cannot care about it. It seems all AI video has this issue at this time in essentially infinite ways. Meaning I don't think there is any near term solution that will make them viable for production use.

Maybe I'm just old and not suited to this new hyper ADHD style media world.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by cubano »

prmoustache wrote: post #98
zuminator wrote: post #97

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A whole series would involve writing thousands of prompts, not just a few seconds. But since you bring it up, one thing I think we can eventually expect is an avalanche of fan created continuations of cancelled shows, like an 8th season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, or a decent 8th season of Game of Thrones. Instead of writing a tie-in novel, aspiring genre authors will write screenplays and turn them into AI mo…

Which is the worse thing that cn happen to these shows. Most of them are already going downhill plotwise after a couple of seasons.

I'm not at all sure you can make a blanket statement like this and expect it to be always true. This is classic Disruptive Technology stuff, and I'll spare everyone the tedious explanation of how the typical trajectory will go.

Yes there will tons of garbage, but of course there will be the 1% of the 1% who spend the time and efforts to, perhaps, create something of equal and perhaps better quality than what has come before.

Re: Seedance 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

prmoustache wrote: post #98
zuminator wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A whole series would involve writing thousands of prompts, not just a few seconds. But since you bring it up, one thing I think we can eventually expect is an avalanche of fan created continuations of cancelled shows, like an 8th season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, or a decent 8th season of Game of Thrones. Instead of writing a tie-in novel, aspiring genre authors will write screenplays and turn them into AI mo…

Which is the worse thing that cn happen to these shows. Most of them are already going downhill plotwise after a couple of seasons.

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