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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Does the privacy preserving aspect of this mean that Apple Intelligence can be invoked within an app, but the results provided by Apple Intelligence are not accessible to the app to be transmitted to their server or utilized in other ways? Or is the privacy preservation handled in a different way?

I think they just mean private from Apple. I don’t see how they can keep it private from the developer if it’s integrated into the app

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Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

It's cool but also not as revolutionary as you make it sound. You can already install Podman, Orbstack or Colima right? Not sure which open-source framework they are using, but to me it seems like an OS-level integration of one of these tools. That's definitely a big win and will make things easier for developers, but I'm not sure if it's a gamechanger.

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yeah -- I saw it's built on "open source foundations", do you know what project this is?

Colima is my guess, only thing that makes sense here if they are doing a qemu vm type of thing

That's my guess too... Colima, but probably doing a VM using the Virtualization framework. I'll be more curious if you can select x86 containers, or if you'll be limited to arm64/aarch64. Not that it really makes that much of a difference anymore, you can get pretty far with Linux Arm containers and VMs.

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Some 15 years ago, A friend of mine said to me "mark my words, Apple will eventually merge OSX with iOS on the iPad". And with every passing keynote since then, it seemed Apple's been inching towards that prophecy, and today, the iPad has become practically a MacBook Air with a touch screen. Unless you were a video editor, programmer who needs resources to compile or a 3D artist, I don't see how you'd need anything o…

I wish they’d focus on just enabling actual functionality on iPad - like can I have Xcode please? And a shell?

I dgaf what the UI looks like. It’s fine.

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What about macOS being derived from BSD? Isn’t that where containers came from: BSD jails? I know the container ecosystem largely targets Linux just curious what people’s thoughts are on that.

BSD jails are architected wholly differently from what something like Docker provides. Jails are first-class citizens that are baked deep into the system. A tool like Docker relies using multiple Linux features/tools to assemble/create isolation. Additionally, iirc, the logic for FreeBSD jails never made it into the Darwin kernel. Someone correct me please.

> what something like Docker provides

Docker isn't providing any of the underlying functionality. BSD jails and Linux cgroups etc aren't fundamentally different things.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

#126

Can someone who uses Xcode daily compare to say Cursor or VsCode how the developer experience is. Just curious how Apple is keeping up

XCode so far is very rudimentary. miles behind VSCode in autocomplete. autocomplete is very small, single line, and suggests very very rarely. and no other features except autocomplete exist.

very good to see XCode LLM improvements!

> I use VSCode Go daily + XCode Swift 6 iOS 18 daily

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Apple has had a native hypervisor for some time now. This is probably a baked in clone of something like https://mac.getutm.app/ which provides the stuff on top of the hypervisor.

Using a hypervisor means just running a Linux VM, like WSL2 does on Windows. There is nothing native about it. Native Linux (and Docker) support would be something like WSL1, where Windows kernel implemented Linux syscalls.

Hyper-V is a type 1 hypervisor, so Linux and Windows are both running as virtual machines but they have direct access to hardware resources.

It's possible that Apple has implemented a similar hypervisor here.

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yeah -- I saw it's built on "open source foundations", do you know what project this is?

Being able to drop Docker Desktop would be great. We're using Podman on MacOS now in a couple places, it's pretty good but it is another tool. Having the same tool across MacOS and Linux would be nice.

I have to drop docker desktop at work and move to podman.

I'm the primary author of amalgamation of GitHub's scripts to rule them all with docker compose so my colleagues can just type `script/setup` and `script/server` (and more!) and the underlying scripts handle the rest.

Apple including this natively is nice, but I won't be a able to use this because my scripts have to work on linux and probably WSL

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

yeah -- I saw it's built on "open source foundations", do you know what project this is?

My guess is Podman. They released native hypervisor support on macOS last year. https://devclass.com/2024/03/26/podman-5-0-released-with-nat...
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