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Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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I made a simple app inspired by Richie Davidson’s research that teaches people how to change their state with breath. https://breathing-trainer.replit.app/

1) I tried it, enjoyed it, thank you for building it. 2) I learned something new: I was aware of how making the exhale longer than the inhale promoted relaxation. Somehow I hadn't thought of inverting it for the opposite effect: more energy. Your app mentioned it and it was an "aha" moment for me. I tried it, and certainly feel something, but too early to say if it's a placebo effect or something real. Thank you for…

Thanks for the kind words.

re: #3, I wish I had a clear answer for you. I believe the Navy Seals use box breathing (4 sec each for inhale, hold, exhale, hold) because it puts them in a calm, high-energy state. Those two descriptors may seem paradoxical, but it's a state I've manage to put myself in before, say, a sales call or public talk. You want high energy to raise the energy level of the audience, but you want calm to be making better decisions in a quickly changing situation.

That differs, I think, from a physiological sigh where you're just trying to relax, which the longer exhale vs inhale gets you.

James Nestor talks about the effects of breath holds in his book "Breath", and one thing he brings up is "carbon dioxide therapy"; ie exposing yourself to mildly elevated levels of carbon dioxide for brief periods was once thought to be beneficial, and he cites people claiming the research has not been disproven. One of the supposed benefits (I'm not a doctor!) is anxiety reduction, similar to how people might tell someone who is panicking to breath with a brown paper bag over their mouth.

https://www.amazon.com/Breath-New-Science-Lost-Art/dp/073521...

Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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EMDR helped me to get rid of this controlled breathing stress.

What’s EMDR? I think I have this too. I used to end up after headspace usually with a higher heart rate from overthinking and unnatural counting of my breaths.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_movement_desensitization_a...

Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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Every time I try breathwork (be it box or x-y-z) I feel that the intervals are too long - by the time I finish breathing out my brain goes into panic mode and the next breath is not enough to compensate. I find them the exact opposite of relaxing.

Your urge to breathe comes from your brain's sensitivity to CO2, which can be trained. In fact, as is also discussed in the book the grandparent mentioned, high sensitivity to CO2 might cause everything from having short breath to full-blown panic attacks. In other words: Lowering your CO2 sensitivity and learning to breathe slowly by doing breathwork is a skill worth acquiring. Your brain going into panic mode in a…

That's really neat - being able to reduce your sensitivity to CO2 if it's overly high sounds useful.

Do you know if it's possible to do this to dangerous levels - that is, make your body so tolerant of high CO2 levels in your blood that you unconsciously adopt a dangerously high blood-CO2 level as your default state?

Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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I made a simple app inspired by Richie Davidson’s research that teaches people how to change their state with breath. https://breathing-trainer.replit.app/

Very cool! Can I ask if you’re using a UI framework or did you just use tailwind and build the buttons yourself? I like the look.

Thanks! Just tailwind!

Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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ok certainly this is a high quality source BUT breathwork should be done with supervision of a practitioner that has some sense. Like swimming (?) this ordinary activity can do great damage in relatively rare situations, or someone trying to do "extreme" practices without guardrails.

Your position is that breathing practice is too dangerous to attempt unsupervised due to risks equivalent to drowning while swimming? While I don't doubt there's a way to breathe so wrong that it has negative effects, I'm sceptical. But I wouldn't think twice about swimming alone, so maybe I live on the edge.

Aleister Crowley somewhat famously gave himself asthma doing some fairly extreme pranayama, which led to him using heroin medicinally which led to him using heroin somewhat less medicinally for the duration of his life.

Yes, the guy was known for going big on most things he did. But it is worth throwing in the asterisk.

Re: 4-7-8 Breathing

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Your urge to breathe comes from your brain's sensitivity to CO2, which can be trained. In fact, as is also discussed in the book the grandparent mentioned, high sensitivity to CO2 might cause everything from having short breath to full-blown panic attacks. In other words: Lowering your CO2 sensitivity and learning to breathe slowly by doing breathwork is a skill worth acquiring. Your brain going into panic mode in a…

That's really neat - being able to reduce your sensitivity to CO2 if it's overly high sounds useful. Do you know if it's possible to do this to dangerous levels - that is, make your body so tolerant of high CO2 levels in your blood that you unconsciously adopt a dangerously high blood-CO2 level as your default state?

I'm afraid I don't know. You would have to talk about that to people experienced in free diving etc.
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