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Re: Eleven v3

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Post by saberience »

This is definitely one of the companies that makes me feel the most nausea and unease about our future. Like, ElevenLabs makes me feel sick.

Why? For a few reasons really, the human voice is a beautiful thing because it comes from actual people, with a life, experiences, emotions, memories, and it cannot be separated from those people. And when we listen to music, audiobooks, speeches, conversations, we hear those voices and we are affected by that person's emotion, life history, perspective, and moved by them.

I love voices, especially podcasts, audiobooks, and poetry, and the idea that these amazing people are going to be replaced, lose their jobs, and silenced by "AI voices" is just one of the most anti-human, anti-life, anti-creative, most sad, depressing, and honestly gross things I could ever imagine for our future.

What's worse, so many of these amazing people using their voice to give others happiness and solace is going to have their voices cloned by ElevenLabs, so they both lose their source of income, and then we get to hear inferior facsimiles making some billionaire richer.

Fuck ElevenLabs, really. I hope you understand what you're doing to the world.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by fakedang »

ianbicking wrote: post #12

I've been using OpenAI's new models a lot lately ( https://www.openai.fm/ )... separating instructions from the spoken word is an interesting choice, and I'm assuming also has a lot to do with OpenAI/GPT using "instructions" across their products, and maybe they are just more comfortable and familiar generating the data and do the training for that style. Separate instructions is a bit awkward, but does allow mixing…

> But in the end OpenAI's biggest feature is that it's 10x cheaper and completely pay-as-you-go. (Why are all these TTS services doing subscriptions on top of limits and credits? Blech!)

Is it so, after all the LLM and overheads have been considered? Elevenlabs conversational agents are priced at 0.08 per minute at the highest tier. How much is the comparable at Open AI? I did a rough estimate and found it was higher there than at Elevenlabs. Although my napkin calculations could also be wrong.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by agos »

lostmsu wrote: post #5

Hm, is it good in all languages? Russian sounds very robotic.

I tried Italian and Greek and the examples range from "acceptable" to "lol wtf"

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by saberience »

artninja1988 wrote: post #2

Sounds absolutely amazing, like 99% indistinguishable from real professional voice actors to me. I couldn't find any pricing though. Anyone know what they charge for it?

But it's not an actual person. It's an "AI". Do you want a future where you don't hear actual people anymore? I want to listen to music, audiobooks, poetry, novels, plays, with actual humans talking, that's the whole fucking point.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by singularfutur »

taf2 wrote: post #37
echelon wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're also still too expensive, and that's creating a lot of opportunity for other players. Even though ElevenLabs remains the quality leader, the others aren't that far behind. There are even a bunch of good TTS models being released as fully open source, especially by cutting-edge Chinese labs and companies. Perhaps in a bid to cut off the legs of American AI companies or to commoditize their compliment. Whatever…

What would say are some of the best open source TTS - chatterbox maybe?

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Re: Eleven v3

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Post by 152334H »

palisade wrote: post #61

For reference in case anyone is wondering, it is based on: https://github.com/152334H/tortoise-tts-fast The developer of tortoise tts fast was hired by Eleven labs.

'was'. I departed almost half a year prior to v3's release this week.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by nsonha »

ricketycricket wrote: post #28

From the example: "Oh no, I'm really sorry to hear you're having trouble with your new device. That sounds frustrating." Being patronized by a machine when you just want help is going to feel absolutely terrible. Not looking forward to this future.

Are you specifically looking for reasons to be offended? Even if a human said this, it would have been completely fine.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by visarga »

I am interested in TTS for reading web pages and LLM responses but it's too expensive. At this price point I can't look at it. I will continue using local TTS, not as great but instant, allows tracking text as it read it and works offline.

Re: Eleven v3

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Post by sumedh »

saberience wrote: post #124
artninja1988 wrote: post #2

Sounds absolutely amazing, like 99% indistinguishable from real professional voice actors to me. I couldn't find any pricing though. Anyone know what they charge for it?

But it's not an actual person. It's an "AI". Do you want a future where you don't hear actual people anymore? I want to listen to music, audiobooks, poetry, novels, plays, with actual humans talking, that's the whole fucking point.

What difference does it make?
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