Is “The Phoenician Scheme” Wes Anderson's Most Emotional Film?

Post by ofalkaed » Mon, Jun 02, 2025, 8:40 PM UTC

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>His films are the same thing repeated in different circumstances with different characters. I am not sure what you mean, Asteroid City with its complex structure utilizing metafiction to explore things mostly removed from the characters and the story does not have much in common with The Royal Tenenbaums other than aesthetic with its fairly simple and direct use of character to explore the individual and family. Do…

The remark "Do you want him to make a superhero or action movie or something?" implies that any desire for Anderson to evolve beyond his current style stems from a limited understanding of cinema, rather than a genuine wish for artistic expansion. Imo this rhetorical question can be seen as an attempt to dismiss the critique by framing it as unsophisticated. I found it a little condescending.

Post by snowwrestler » Mon, Jun 02, 2025, 8:44 PM UTC

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Perhaps you can share some examples of the films you are referring as "mindless banter in between sex and explosions". I'm not sure that description really fits most of the films coming out recently. If you said, "Dumb comic book films", I would maybe agree with you, but there isn't typically any sex in those so I assume you are not referring to them. Covid halted the production of a lot of movies, and changed how ot…

> Flow (2024) "Flow" was a huge disappointment for me. I couldn't get past the animation jerkiness and overall unrealistic look. I have two cats, and cats simply don't move like pictured: while most of the keyframes were perfectly fine, the transitions between them were off, which completely broke it for me. Heck, "Stray" (the video game) had much more realistically moving cat than "Flow" and I think it's supposed to…

Post by mda » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 6:58 AM UTC

ofalkaed wrote: post #121

mda wrote: post #47

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The remark "Do you want him to make a superhero or action movie or something?" implies that any desire for Anderson to evolve beyond his current style stems from a limited understanding of cinema, rather than a genuine wish for artistic expansion. Imo this rhetorical question can be seen as an attempt to dismiss the critique by framing it as unsophisticated. I found it a little condescending.

You are making assumptions about my intent and my feelings regarding superhero and action movies. I am not sure I would call most of Anderson's output particularly sophisticated and absolutely would not write off entire genres as unsophisticated, many dramas offer nothing more than an emotional appeal and many action movies offer considerably more. There was nothing rhetorical about my question.

Post by rickdeckard » Tue, Jun 03, 2025, 9:18 AM UTC

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> If Wes made No Country For Old Men in this style it would suck. I genuinely don't understand what this means, No Country for Old Men is a Coen Brothers movie. Do I need to see "The Phoenician Scheme" to understand this reference...?

No, you don't need to see the film but it was a way of me trying to put across how much his style really sucks out of the films. I see No Country For Old Men as one of the top films of the last 20 years, what with its pacing and the atmosphere they create. It's not an original story, based on a book, so therefore any director could have been brought on board. You might say I am comparing apples to oranges but it was…

Post by bag_boy » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 8:04 PM UTC

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I like Wes Anderson movies in general, but I was unable to finish Asteroid City at home. It felt emotionally monotone. I probably need to go back and rewatch it. Hope this one is a bit more exciting. Rushmore is my favorite. The yearbook montage is awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMyh6ptegko

Data point for you: Asteroid City is my favorite, I've watched it like eight times now? and I could barely get through Rushmore. All the commenters in here complaining that new Wes doesn't have what old Wes had.. Maybe they're missing what new Wes is doing? The newer movies are full of emotion, they're not monotone at all.