Wow, the audio integrations really makes a huge difference, especially given it does both sounds and voices
Can’t wait to see what people start making with these
Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you. "Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team. That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.
> There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you.
This would include almost everyone who’s used any editing software more advanced than photoshop CS4.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#123I'm surprised no one has yet to mention the use of the name "Flow", which is also the title of the 2025 Oscar winning animated movie, built using Blender. [1] This naming seems very confusing, as I originally thought there must be some connection. But I don't think there is. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43237273
Would Google really stoop so low and try to use the success of the movie to prop their AI video generator tool? But then again, the do no evil motto is long gone, so I guess anything goes now?
Note that it's very likely that Veo models are based on "Flow Matching" [1]
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you. "Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team. That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.
I don't think that's true. Is a film director not a creative?
You could come up with your own story and direct the AI to generate it for you.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#125>>models create, empowering artists to bring their creative vision
Interesting logic the new era brings: something else creates, and you only "bring your vision to life", but what it means is left for readers questioning, your "vision" here is your text prompt?
Were at a crossroads where the tools are powerful enough to make the process optional.
That raises uncomfortable questions: if you don’t have to create anymore, will people still value the journey? Will vision alone be enough? What's the creative purpose in life? To create, or to to bring creative vision to life? Isn't the act of creation is being subtly redefined?
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#126An indie film with poor production values, even bad acting can grip you, make you laugh and make you cry. The consistency of quality is key - even if it is poor. The directing is the red thread throughout the scenes. Anything with different quality levels interrupts your flow and breaks your experience.
The problem with AI video content at this stage is that the clips are very good 'in themselves', just as LLM results are, but putting them together to let you engage beyond an individual clip will not be possible for a long time.
It will work where the red thread is in the audio (e.g. a title sequence) and you put some clips together to support the thread. But Hollywood has nothing to fear at this stage. In addition, remember that visual artists are control freaks of the purest kind. Film is still used because of the grain, not despite it. 24p prevails.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you. "Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team. That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.
Not even if you are directing and refining it? What if i smudge out sections repeatedly and over the course of say 20 iterations produce a unique image that matches closely what i am imagining, and that has not be seem before?
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#128This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
Remember how there were all those cake shows all of a sudden, and they were making cakes that looked super pretty, but they were just fondant and sheet cakes? We're not thrilled having to wade through the AI equivalent.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#129>Imagen 4 is available today in the Gemini app, Whisk, Vertex AI and across Slides, Vids, Docs and more in Workspace. I'm always hesitant with rollouts like this. If I go to one of these, there's no indication which Imagen version I'm getting results from. If I get an output that's underwhelming, how do I know whether it's the new model or if the rollout hasn't reached me yet?
Google is typically upfront about which model versions you're using in those tools. Not as behind-the-scenes as ChatGPT.
However, looking at the UI/UX in Google Docs, it's less transparent.
Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!
There's nothing creative in having someone or something else doing the work for you. "Creating" with an AI is like an executive "inventing" the work actually done by their team of researchers. A team owner "winning" a game played by the their team. That being said, AI output is very useful for brainstorming and exploring a creative space. The problem is when the brainstorming material is used for production.
Buñuel would disagree with you: "The peak of film-making will be reached when you are able to take a pill, switch off the lights, sit facing a blank wall and project on it, directly from your eyes, the film that passes through your head."