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KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by DocTomoe »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #80
usrnm wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE 3 to KDE 4 transition really was painful, it pushed me away as well, but it also happened over 15 years ago. I gave it a shot a few years back, and it was great, much better than modern-day Gnome in my opinion.

Thanks for stating this. It puzzles me how people can still hold a grudge against the transition to KDE4 that happened back in early 2008. It took a while but even KDE4 got pretty good. KDE6 is great and if you follow Nate Graham's blog, you can see the improvements that go into it every week. https://blogs.kde.org/authors/nategraham/

See ... that' nice and everything, and I applaud those who invest their time in building something they clearly love. But the time for me to fiddle with my DE, which essentially is a supporting technology, meant to make other, more meaningful work easier, is much rather spend sitting in the garden and watching my nephews grow up these days.

I don't want to invest migration of workflows and time to understand a new UI paradigm for a system that once catastrophically crashed and burned something good on the altar of 'new and innovative and unfinished'.

That's not a grudge. It's growing older and setting other priorities in life.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jopicornell »

dingnuts wrote: post #90
jopicornell wrote: post #74

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That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

This was true years ago but Gnome slowly removed every feature I liked and put me on an update treadmill for each and every plug-in, and I needed a bunch of them for basic functionality normal desktops provide. A trivial example: keeping a working weather widget on my taskbar for an update cycle without breaking it was too much to ask for Gnome. I put up with this kind of thing for YEARS before switching to Plasma. W…

I agree, I just used gnome as the other mainstream DE alternative. I am a happy user of i3, due to my 1070ti giving a lot of problems using wayland. That could be the culprit of my unstability. I want to change to AMD gpus for that reason, and I'll some day test it again for sure.

My last time using kde was a few months ago, and it was stability issues (which could be hardware related), but also cumbersome customization of main UI, and minor annoying bugs, that keep accumulating through usage.

Don't get me wrong, I love KDE concept and I don't think Gnome is making great decisions keeping it minimalist (I use i3 for that reason. If I want a DE I want it fully featured and customizable).

I'm just sharing my personal view and agreeing with another user. I know what users can think about fabulous software, and that they (we) are biased in many many ways.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by jopicornell »

jeroenhd wrote: post #103
jopicornell wrote: post #74

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That's something I think as well. I've tried 4 times through the years, and KDE always felt less stable and solid than Gnome. I guess it's the configurability of KDE that makes it that way. I like the concept, but I guess maintaining it is no easy task, and people is more motivated to add things than fix them.

In my experience, KDE is more responsive (especially under load) but its code base is less stable. It makes sense: Gnome is pretty minimalist in terms of available UI, uses JavaScript and shell scripts to provide integrations, and exposes quite a small native surface area. On the other side, KDE consists of almost exclusively native (C++) code, although I believe some tools are written in Python. Great for performanc…

Yes, I have to agree with responsivened vs stability. As I mentioned in another comment, my main stability issues could be hardware related, because I'm also a steam deck user and it has worked alright there (although I don't use the desktop mode daily).

For me, KDE is a better concept than Gnome, and I genuinely don't know which is better developed/mantained. But it is true that I always change after a week or so, and I've been a gnome user for longer periods of time.

I'll keep testing it, more so if I install updated hardware in my computer

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by wkat4242 »

anthk wrote: post #115
wkat4242 wrote: post #114

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Yes but there it's with a C again. And an accent on the o.

It still sounds the same for any Spanish speaker. The accent it's just an stress mark. And we use the k for kilos and lots of daily words, such as kiwi or kiosko.

True, and people use "k" as short for "que" a lot :)

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by const_cast »

ipdashc wrote: post #92
vitorgrs wrote: post #42

I really like KDE in general, and how full featured it is, but their design just feels dated compared to all modern OSes and other DMs on Linux... The only reason why I'm a gnome user, it's because of that. And yes, I know I can just customize, but everytime I try, it just make KDE more sluggish for some reason, and doesn't really feels natural.

It's interesting to me that this is so common. I feel exactly the opposite way, as if KDE is the only one that feels modern and good-looking. Not saying you're wrong, just that it's interesting how much perspectives differ on design, I suppose.

I feel the same way and it's a little unnerving how often people think KDE looks old meanwhile gnome or even Windows look... good. Like, are we looking at the same thing?

Having as much whitespace as possible and icons over text does not a modern application make.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by flexagoon »

franga2000 wrote: post #117
sph wrote: post #99

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> Also, any integration attempts like making the icons a common asset rather than each application have their own, _fail_ and make things worse, with these integrations applications less often have working icons at all, and more often have mistakes like black icons against a black background making them invisible One thing the GNOME community got right, despite the clamour and gnashing of teeth. https://stopthemingmy…

The linked site goes against everything the Linux* platform has historically stood for and frankly just sounds like designers whining that they can't design for computers like they used to for print. I see the same fight against customization on the web, where designers keep asking for ways to, for example, override font and font size preferences, default widget styling, prevent/hijack zoom/select/search/context/what…

Seems like you didn't actually read the linked "stop theming our apps" page. They have no issue with users theming their own systems, and gnome apps are still themable. Developers have an issue with distributions shipping a custom theme by default, which breaks things and causes users to report issues which aren't the fault of the developers.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by anthk »

wkat4242 wrote: post #124
anthk wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It still sounds the same for any Spanish speaker. The accent it's just an stress mark. And we use the k for kilos and lots of daily words, such as kiwi or kiosko.

True, and people use "k" as short for "que" a lot :)

That's beucase people it's lazy and 'k' it's reachable with a single tap/keypress with the right hand :p

Don't use that on formal contexts, BTW.

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by vitorgrs »

r0uv3n wrote: post #48
vitorgrs wrote: post #42

I really like KDE in general, and how full featured it is, but their design just feels dated compared to all modern OSes and other DMs on Linux... The only reason why I'm a gnome user, it's because of that. And yes, I know I can just customize, but everytime I try, it just make KDE more sluggish for some reason, and doesn't really feels natural.

Have you tried Plasma 6 yet? To me it feels way more modern than Gnome.

Yes, I tried!

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by Vilian »

sph wrote: post #97

I love how 95% of the comments are about anything but the effing article. Looking forward to a new VM manager. virt-manager is what I use and it's not very maintained: it still has issues on a HiDPI screen where scaling is all messed up. GNOME Boxes is both buggy and featureless in the usual GNOME sense, haven't found much use for it. I think all the focus has been on the virsh CLI and we haven't had a decent VM GUI…

The thing is that Gnome Boxes is user a lot and it's still buggy, the KDE one is going to be less used, it would really manage to be less buggy?, let's wait and see I guess

Re: KDE is finally getting a native virtual machine manager called “Karton”

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Post by NotPractical »

flexagoon wrote: post #126
franga2000 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The linked site goes against everything the Linux* platform has historically stood for and frankly just sounds like designers whining that they can't design for computers like they used to for print. I see the same fight against customization on the web, where designers keep asking for ways to, for example, override font and font size preferences, default widget styling, prevent/hijack zoom/select/search/context/what…

Seems like you didn't actually read the linked "stop theming our apps" page. They have no issue with users theming their own systems, and gnome apps are still themable. Developers have an issue with distributions shipping a custom theme by default, which breaks things and causes users to report issues which aren't the fault of the developers.

Distributions are operated by users. They're basically just a collection of recommended packages, curated by the distribition maintainers. Why should users be prevented from sharing their preferred themes with other users, in the form of distributions?

Besides, if app developers are doing their job properly as described in the parent comment, then neither user themes, nor distribution themes, should break anything.

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