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Re: Suno v4.5

#121

Aren't they still in active lawsuit with Sony etc about training on music without license? Yet still releasing new products? I guess they are hoping for the Uber outcome where they earn enough money during the illegal phase so they can pay some tiny fine and keep going.

Do most companies just stop releasing product while in legal disputes? I don’t think I’ve ever heard of that.

They don't unless a judge orders them. It would be nonsensical to do so as lawsuits typically take years.

Re: Suno v4.5

#122

Feel they didn't really test these genres "Cajun synthpop chant" has no chanting or synths, it sounds more like country music with french woman vocals

None of the Acid House samples have anything to do with Acid House either. The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.

> The Jungle samples sound more like Liquid Drum & Bass.

So another slop?

Re: Suno v4.5

#123
This is going to be a life changer for youtubers and creatives who need background songs for their videos, you can now create tailored songs for whatever you need.

Its great, however it sucked in other languages, sounding like a foreigner trying to speak like a local.

Re: Suno v4.5

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what's the point of spending time and thought for music prompted by others? What I can generate sounds exactly as good and has the exact same value...

Can’t you say the same thing about why listen to human jazz musicians?

I am not a jazz musician. I can't generate their music, all the nuances, the improvisation or the feeling... in other words the human factor of their craft 1 to 1 with a press of a button.

Re: Suno v4.5

#125
post #97

The fact that LLMs compute an average of human culture is more apparent in music AIs than any other medium. You cannot get these things to do anything original, same as with images, designs and creative writing—and it's not an "intelligence" problem. I'm not sure if this is solvable, but I think it should be a bigger research topic. If anyone knows of any papers on this, I haven't found one yet (not sure what to sear…

Any musician will tell you most music isn't original. You just don't have the ear for it. You telling me Green Day's songs are all unique and original? Even jazz uses 6-2-5-1's over and over. Unless you only listen to avante garde prog rock or something, all of music is derivative. And that's ok. Every song being a unique snowflake isn't important. If you like it or it makes you feel something, that's all that matter…

All books are derivative too, the English ones use the same 26 characters over and over.

Re: Suno v4.5

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Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

Yeah, I find it funny that they have this super strong music generation model, but then they use what could only be GPT 3.5 for lyrics.

I think it's because, like a first year writing student trying poetry, it tries a little too hard to make the lyrics coherent and storytelling in a script read from a page. A lot of real song lyrics have a whole lot of repetition, non sequiturs, and break grammar rules to fit the meter better

Re: Suno v4.5

#127

One of Suno's biggest weakness is their lyrics generation, and that you can't generate lyrics without also generating a song. I think it's better to use a different LLM to generate and iterate on lyrics, which you can then pass to Suno in order to generate a final song. If anyone here has a subscription and they can spare the tokens, I think it would be fun if someone shared a song about Hacker News. I'm hoping that…

This song was produced a long time ago from a verbatim hacker news comment, and got released on Spotify and Apple and became a favorite at home.

Your comment inspired me to upgrade it to 4.5 because it did have that AI tinny quality. https://suno.com/s/tbZlkBL7XeLVuuN0

It sounds better but has lost some magic.

Here is the original comment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39997706

In that spirit, from the same “artist” here is your comment - https://suno.com/s/AumsIqrIovVhT0c9

And

https://suno.com/s/YGlpHptX6yXJVpHq

Not sure which I like more.

Re: Suno v4.5

#128
post #63

Immediately got a banger: "Dimensions of being" https://suno.com/song/dd3dbde0-4df6-4aec-a9be-bd2f64c281c8

Hmm. Still has the biggest issue I’ve observed with AI songs in the past: the lyrics don’t have a consistent or pleasing rhythm. It seems like the lyrics are generated with little regard to rhythm, then the melody is generated and tries to fit the lyrics without being able to change them. The result is a song where verses constantly have too many syllables (resulting in them spilling into the next meter when adjacent verses don’t), or too few syllables (resulting in awkward rests), or syllables with the wrong stresses. Occasionally the singing tries to compensate by just skipping syllables. In the second verse, the word “whispering” is replaced by an indistinct two-syllable word that sounds like “forming”. In the chorus, the phrase “the dimensions” merges the first two syllables to sound like “the mentions”.

Someday, I’m sure, Suno will find a way to fix this issue. But today isn’t that day.

Re: Suno v4.5

#129

Personally, I have little interest in typing a text prompt and getting a complete song as an output. However, I will gladly pay serious money for a tool that interactively collaborates with me in a granular, iterative process of generating, adjusting and mixing individual instruments and sections toward a finished multi-track song project. Allow users to creatively engage by providing suggested starting places in the…

Try aiva.ai

Thanks for the suggestion. It looks closer to what I want than anything I've seen so far. Probably still not granular enough but much closer and headed in the right direction.

Re: Suno v4.5

#130
post #27

Honestly it baffles me at this point that Suno keeps trying to generate lyrics when everything else it generates sounds so good. All of these example get ruined by the most simple and boring lyrics imaginable. Poetry is an art and clearly the model doesn't yet grasp all of its nuances like it does for the rest of the "composition". At this point the only thing that gives this away as AI generated are the vocals.

Have you tried out the Remi lyrics model in custom mode? It’s a lot more unhinged and creative in both very good and very… interesting ways. I’d check it out if you’re interested in lyrics generation.
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